Is Guzman the most feather fisted world class fighter in boxing?

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  1. Jambo

    Jambo Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe not, but he would have to come close. How can a guy totally outclass his overmated opponent, and still not get a stoppage?

    Especially when he has been knocked out before by lessor opponents...

    What in your opinion makes his punches so weak, when to watch he appears to generate a lot of force behind his shots when he sits down on them?
     
  2. WhataRock

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    No...

    But his power has not carried from superbantam thats for sure...He was a better then average puncher there, now he is below average at the level he fights at.

    I dont think it matters that much though...He has enough pop to be respected and his style is run circles around guys..not really to Ko them.
     
  3. batang kanto

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    nOpe, i think its paulie malignaggi
     
  4. Jambo

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    The thing that makes me think Guzman is so feather fisted, is the way he can absolutely dominate lower level guys, yet still not really hurt them. Malignaggi isn't the same level of fighter IMO, so he doesn't really ever land on his opponents to the same degree.

    Probably themost feather fisted would be Calderon, although even then, that is respective of his extremely small size as well. Not many guys in those divisions really have solid KO ratios.
     
  5. Jambo

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    Also a lot of the knockouts on Guzmans record were against COMPLETE bums. Only a couple were against genuine contenders.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    No - Malignaggi, Mora, and the current version of Joe Calzaghe all have worse feather-fists. Malignaggi and Mora have only a handful of stoppages between them, while Calzaghe has only had 2 proper KOs in his entire career, and none in a long time. He has landed literally hundreds upon hundreds of clean punches to the heads of guys like Lacy and Jones Jr, and has barely scored a knockdown in recent years (and we saw what a decent puncher can do to this version of RJJ vs Tarver and Johnson).
     
  7. WhataRock

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    I wouldnt put Joe in the same boat as those guys....He hurt Kessler, busted up Roy, dropped an iron chin Lacy..I wouldnt call him feather fisted.
     
  8. NeckBreaknAiken

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    I don't know about Joe. He is definitely not the best puncher out there, but he isn't my idea of "feather-fisted"

    I think Mora is definitely the king of that ****.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    Neither would I have until the Jones fight. Hundreds of clean head shots against a guy we know can now be sparked with one great shot - and not even a solitary KD. Irrefutable evidence IMO.
     
  10. imp4pdabest

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    Possibly. His power hasn't carried from superbantam. He has pop but his power is like a flaw in his game
     
  11. WhataRock

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    Just one fight though...Despite Roy's weak chin, he has showed he can take the odd shot and hang in there.

    Joe landed a lot of jabs in those overall punch numbers and I dont think his quality of punching was that great..a lot of flurries and slaps...If he had sat down a bit more he may have forced the KO...maybe he hurt his hand like he did in the Ashira fight?

    I dont think the numbers matter that much anyway...I could see with my own eyes he was trying the overwhelm Roy with quantity rather then quality.

    To compare him to Mora and Malignaggi in punching power based on one fight is a bit of a stretch.
     
  12. The Prophet

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    Guzman used to knock out guys at super bantamweight so, no. His style these past few years has just been non-aggressive.

    Calzaghe used to be known as a power punching KO guy before his hand problems.

    Steve Molitor comes to mind. Ottke (although he did KO Mundine). And of course Paulie.
     
  13. imp4pdabest

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    Guzmans style makes no one wanna fight him
     
  14. DINAMITA

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    He has 32 stoppages in 46 wins - of which TWO are actual KOs and THIRTY are TKOs. In world title fights, he has 11 stoppages from 23 wins - ZERO are actual KOs and 11 are TKOs.

    His last legitimate stoppage was a TKO vs Mario Veit in May 2005, that's 3-and-a-half years and 7 fights ago (the stoppage against Manfredo was a joke, Manfredo wasnt even remotely hurt, he was just too crap at boxing to know what to do, a typically horrible mismatch).

    Whether it is his hands or whether he is just weakening with age I don't know, but all I do know is that the current version of Calzaghe fighting at lhw is thoroughly feather-fisted. I was stunned he couldn't put Jones down once, he was landing so many clean punches.
     
  15. WhataRock

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    Personally I dont think thats the best way of looking at it...You dont know the circumstances of all those stoppages and neither do I..But I do know that a lot of TKO's can often be brutal stoppages where the fighter is down(and wont be getting up) but the ref waves it off before a count.

    Ill take 3 examples...The Sobot, Veit I and Pudwill fights were all displays of fairly impressive punching power where he utterly destroyed all of them..but they were listed as TKOs..if they had continued they may have been KO's but Joe just obliterated them, there was no need to let it get to that stage.

    Of his recent opposition...Hopkins..I mean its Hopkins..no one can touch to guy let alone hurt him, let alone knock him out..Kessler, the number 2 fighter in the division whom he hurt on more then one occasion...Bika, iron chin and dirty as hell..Lacy iron chin, in great form and his career was ruined by Joe that night...Ashira, fought onehanded pretty much the whole fight against a late call up who didnt really turn up to win the fight, mostly to survive...Salem, pretty good chin and quite awkward...Manfredo is just trash and I dont count that has a significant win anyway.

    No doubt Joe is starting to decline and I never considered him a puncher even in his prime but to compare him to Malignaggi even at this stage is just bogus IMO...We just have different definitions of feather fisted I guess.