Is Hagler Middleweight GOAT?

My rating
1 Greb
2 Hagler
3 Robinson
4 Monson

 

I think he's top 3, I personally would only entertain Monzon and Sugar Robinson as higher. I know romantically many place Greb as the greatest..............I can't do that. Really none of us should be doing that. How can we possibly?

 

No behind BHOP.

 

Hopkins
Robinson
Hagler
Monzon
idk Toney

 

He's got a case

 

The switch hitter tactic served Hagler well but backfired against him against Leonard. From what I have read many posters on the forum believe if Hagler had not come out orthodox in the beginning rounds he would have had a better chance to win on the cards.

 

Hi Noel.
My rating is similar, diff being I have 2 @ 3 the other way round, not by much mind, and your top 4 would prob chime with lots on the site, talking this side of the pond, in what order would you have our best MWs.
Len Harvey
Randolph Turpin
Terry Downes
Alan Minter
and you guessed my WW best, have a go with the above.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.

 

If Marvelous Marvin Hagler had retired with the undisputed World Middleweight Title and had surpassed Carlos Monzon's record of successful title defenses of 14, then one could consider Hagler the GOAT. Hagler seemed to struggle with boxers that could take his punch and could counter well. Although Hagler had memorable victories such as the Hearns battle in April 1985, he also had memorable bouts in which he struggled according to the scoring of the designated boxing judges, the first Vito Antuofermo bout on Nov 30 1979, the Roberto Duran bout on Nov 10 1983, and of course his loss to a Sugar Ray Leonard on April 6 1987, who had been out of boxing action for 3 years.

 

Top three in overall history of the middleweight division.
Number one head to head , though I do believe Ray Robinson,
Roy Jones, and believe it or not Micheal Nunn , wouldv'e presented
the same type of problems he had with Ray Leonard. ( I don't
buy into the opnions of many posters on this site of Hagler
was well past prime when he faced him, Hagler had issues
with that style as early as Bobby "Boogalo', and Willie "The Worm".)
Of Fighters that were slick, and could force him to lead.
But overall, Hagler was the best in the divisions history
in my opnion.

 

Good shoutout to Nunn. A prime Nunn would have given prime RJJ his toughest night as well imo. Btw I don't think Hagler struggled too much with Leonard's movement once he turned southpaw. Leonard also did better in the later half of the fight once he started planting his feet and unleashing combinations. (Which is the story in a lot of his fights except Duran 2)

 

Ok Mike just got in from the pub so maybe not thinking logically,but here goes
1 Turpin
2 Minter
3 Downes
4 Harvey
Not really sure of your choice on this one but i am guessing Turpin followed by Harvey

 

Hi Noel
Despite you partaking of a few sherrys, you have again picked not only my No1 but also No 2 !!!!
This is becoming a little unervering, full credit to you mate, out of interest what pub did you frequent earlier ?
stay safe buddy, chat soon.

 

Hi again Mike, not sherry a mixture of cider and guinness but not together.I think that is called Black Velvet,not a fan.Got a bit lucky with my picks but i think i have got to know your leanings quite well since following your posts on here.You are one of my favourite posters on here and always worth listening th and btw the pub i go to is called Bar Six in Cheshire,don`t know if i am allowed to name the town on here,but i absolutely love it. Who do you have third Mike,Minter or Downes?

 

I love Marv', in fact, I even got a signed glove, and a signed photo of him and Hearns for my eighteenth birthday, but I wouldn't call him the Greatest Middleweight. I'd reserve that title for Greb; with his extensive resume, a good reign, and ridiculous number of wins at/near the poundage. Hagler would then fall slightly short of Robinson and Monzon IMO; for essentially the same reasons - slightly better resumes, reigns, and more meaningful fights.

Now, if you're talking about the best middleweight ever; I've only seen two I'd place on the same level of a prime Hagler, and they're Jones and Robinson. Hagler could do everything, from boxing with the best of them, to brawling like the rest of them, with a granite chin, a heavy jab, good power in both hands, a suffocating switch hitter who made the ring smaller with every step. A well-oiled fighting machine on every night he had, bar maybe one or two.