Is Harold Johnson one of the best textbook boxers of all time?

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  1. SuzieQ49

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    1946
    Joe Riley Wilmington, De KO 2
    Charley Lester Wilmington, De KO 2
    Jack Simon Allentown, Pa KO 4
    Oct 25 Randy Ingram Philadelphia, Pa KO 4
    -Some sources report "KO 2"

    1947
    Jan 10 Frank Lowry Philadelphia, Pa KO 2
    Jan 24 Chappie Manning Reading, Pa W 6
    Feb 10 Jimmy Holden Allentown, Pa KO 4
    Feb 17 Joe Van Loan Philadelphia, Pa TK 2
    Mar 10 Tony Gillo Philadelphia, Pa W 6
    Apr 28 Leon Szymurski Philadelphia, Pa TK 3
    May 26 Fred Lester Philadelphia, Pa TK 8
    Jul 8 Tommy Ruth Philadelphia, Pa KO 6
    Aug 4 Al Pinel Philadelphia, Pa W 6
    Oct 6 Eddie Beazley Philadelphia, Pa TK 1
    Nov 6 Jimmy Moore Atlantic City, NJ KO 5
    Nov 24 Herbie Katz Philadelphia, Pa KO 1
    Dec 11 Kid Wolfe Atlantic City, NJ W 8

    1948
    Mar 1 Kenny Harris Philadelphia, Pa W 8
    Mar 29 Kenny Harris Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    May 13 Vernon Williams Atlantic City, NJ W 8
    Sep 28 Agustino Guedes Philadelphia, Pa TK 3
    Nov 9 Jimmy Holden Allentown, Pa W 8
    Dec 14 Willie Brown Philadelphia, Pa KO 7

    1949
    Feb 23 Arturo Godoy Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Apr 26 Archie Moore Philadelphia, Pa L 10
    Jun 16 Henry Hall Milwaukee, Wi W 10
    Jul 25 Henry Hall Milwaukee, Wi W 10
    Oct 26 Jimmy Bivins Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Dec 7 Bert Lytell Dayton, Oh W 10

    1950
    Feb 8 Jersey Joe Walcott Philadelphia, Pa LK 3
    Dec 18 Harry Daniels Philadelphia, Pa KO 2

    1951
    Jan 22 Solomon "Dusty" Wilkerson Philadelphia, Pa KO 4
    Feb 9 Chuck Hunter New York, NY W 8
    Jun 18 Elkins Brothers Philadelphia, Pa KO 10
    Jul 23 Chubby Wright Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Sep 24 Archie Moore Philadelphia, Pa L 10
    Dec 10 Archie Moore Milwaukee, Wi W 10

    1952
    Jan 29 Archie Moore Toledo, Oh L 10
    Mar 17 Clarence Henry Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Aug 6 Bob Satterfield Chicago, Il L 10
    Sep 16 Leonard Morrow Toledo, Oh TK 3
    Oct 6 Bob Satterfield Philadelphia, Pa KO 2
    Nov 24 Nino Valdes Brooklyn, NY W 10

    1953
    Jan 16 Jimmy Slade New York, NY W 10
    Mar 21 Billy Gilliam Toledo, Oh W 10
    May 11 Toxie Hall Miami, Fl W 10
    Sep 8 Ezzard Charles Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Nov 7 Henry Hall Milwaukee, Wi W 10
    Nov 19 Chubby Wright Hershey, Pa W 10

    1954
    Jan 29 Jimmy Slade New York, NY W 10
    Feb 15 Charlie "Doc" Williams Miami, Fl TK 8
    Mar 17 Paul Andrews Chicago, Il W 10
    Aug 11 Archie Moore New York, NY LT 14
    -Light Heavyweight Championship of the World
    Oct 8 "Oakland" Billy Smith Philadelphia, Pa LK 2
    Dec 7 Julio Mederos Miami Beach, Fl W 10
    Dec 22 Marty Marshall Detroit, Mi W 10

    1955
    Feb 11 Paul Andrews New York, NY KO 6
    May 6 Julio Mederos Philadelphia, Pa NC 2
    -The verdict first rendered was "LT 2" but
    was changed later to "NC 2"

    1956
    Dec 8 Bert Whitehurst Portland, Me W 10

    1957
    Mar 12 Bob Satterfield Miami Beach, Fl W 10
    May 31 Clarence Hinnant New York, NY KO 1
    Sep 10 Wayne Bethea Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    -Some sources report 9/20/57
    Dec 17 Sid Peaks Toledo, Oh KO 5

    1958
    Jan 17 Bert Whitehurst Syracuse, NY W 10
    Apr 15 Ollie Wilson Hartford, Ct TK 2
    Dec 3 Howard King Chicago, Il W 10
    Dec 15 Rudy Watkins Philadelphia, Pa KO 6

    1959
    Aug 4 Johnny York Pittsfield, Ma TK 6
    Nov 11 Sonny Ray Chicago, Il TK 10

    1960
    May 4 Clarence Floyd Philadelphia, Pa W 10

    1961
    Feb 7 Jesse Bowdry Miami Beach, Fl TK 9
    -NBA Light Heavyweight Championship of the World
    Apr 24 Von Clay Philadelphia, Pa TK 2
    -NBA Light Heavyweight Championship of the World
    Jul 1 Eddie Machen Atlantic City, NJ W 10
    Aug 29 Eddie Cotton Seattle, Wa W 15
    -NBA Light Heavyweight Championship of the World

    1962
    May 12 Doug Jones Philadelphia, Pa W 15
    -Light Heavyweight Championship of the World
    Jun 23 Gustav Scholz Berlin, Germany W 15
    -Light Heavyweight Championship of the World

    1963
    Mar 19 Tommy Merrill Scranton, Pa TK 9
    Jun 1 Willie Pastrano Las Vegas, Nv L 15
    -WBC Light Heavyweight Championship of the World;
    WBA Light Heavyweight Championship of the World
    Dec 6 Henry Hank Philadelphia, Pa W 10

    1964
    Apr 20 Hank Casey Santa Monica, Ca KO 8

    1966
    Jan 7 Johnny Persol New York, NY L 10
    Dec 6 Pekka Kokkonen Vienna, Austria W 10

    1967
    May 1 Herschel Jacobs New Orleans, La W 10
    Aug 7 Eddie Jones Las Vegas, Nv W 10

    1968
    Feb 3 Lothar Stengel Frankfurt, Germany W 10
    Jun 11 Johnny Alford Miami Beach, Fl W 10

    1971
    Mar 30 Herschel Jacobs Long Island City, NY LT 3
     
  3. McGrain

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    Yes.

    His one two is close to a perfect thing and that's a sure sign. But there wasn't much he didn't do correctly. Shame he didn't have a couple more dimensions physically, Christ knows what we would have had on our hands.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    never really watched alot of him

    Suzy im intrested in films of him have you got any
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    I have Ezzard Charles vs Harold Johnson 1953 and Archie Moore vs Harold Johnson V 1954. I am in the process of obtaining his masterclass shutout performance over Doug Jones.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    remember my PM reckon we could have a little trade for afew of his fights i have none but am intrested in him
     
  7. red cobra

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    Yes, in a word. I find it interesting that he was mostly beaten at various times in his career by punchers like Archie Moore, but it was a fighter with a very different approach, Willie Pastrano, who beat Johnson by turning the tables on him in their 1963 15 rounder by refusing to lead against Johnson and forcing him out of his "comfort zone". Pastrano found the answer to Johnson's legendary technical prowess and stuck to his game plan to win a disputed decision. Actually, the more I read about that fight, and after having watched it a few times on YouTube, I think that Pastrano deserved it.
     
  8. smitty_son408

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    On film his arm length and reach looked great and those right hands were perfect.
     
  9. red cobra

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    Johnson is worth studying if you're a fighter IMO.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    I thought this was one of the worst decisions of the decade. I had johnson winning, and johnson at 35 was clearly past his prime then anyway. Angel Dundee practically confessed in his book Harold Johnson deserved the decision. Russell Peltz, the legendary Philly promoter, said Johnson was robbed and so did almost all the ringsiders, according to Dundee.

    I doubt pastrano wins more than 3 out of 15 rounds vs a prime early 1950s harold johnson
     
  11. Minotauro

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    I would say he is along side Ricardo Lopez.
     
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    Great thread. Thanks for the videos SuzieQ49
     
  14. mcvey

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    "Ive had enough of fighting Harold,he makes you do all the work".
    Archie Moore.
     
  15. teeto

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    His right hand wasn't the fastest but because of the technique employed it wasn't telegraphed and it was designed to punch through an opponent every time. When you go the boxing gym really young and they tell you not to throw the right hand unless you know the target is in its range, then Harold Johnson is what they mean.