Is Haye the only man that can beat a Klitschko

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  1. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    To beat Wlad or Vitali what do you need, a combination of;

    Speed
    Explosive power in both hands
    Be able to throw punches from different angles
    Head Movment
    Footwork
    Heart
    Aggression
    Confidence
    A solid chin???



    to me Haye has all of these apart from the chin. Name another Heavyweight with as many of these attributes as Haye. The way I see it Haye has a better chance than any of the bums out there, all though he is more likley to get sparked out in the process.
     
  2. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Strangely the chin issue is a bit of a moot point. Klit is so powerful that regardless of whether you have a poor, average or good chin you are likely to hit the deck if he connects. If Haye can display the other attributes you list then I think that he can beat Wlad
     
  3. rooq

    rooq Rooq's Boxing Promoter Full Member

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    i can't see any of the current crop of top HWs beating the klits. i'd love haye to do it, but think his chinny chin chin and his recent lack of activity will let him down against either klit.
     
  4. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Haye fights Wlad, he will knock him out imo. Vitali will be the more difficult fight.
     
  5. digregorio1.

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    Haye has these in abundance and Wlad Klitschko really doesn'twhich is why i'd give Haye a great chance against him, a bit tougher a gainst Vitali but i'd still give Haye a chance
     
  6. I think Haye has the best chance of any heavy out there. I still rate the fight 60-40 in Wlad's favour though. I think Haye would get blown away by Vitali, it would resemble Vitali v Herbie Hide.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I agree you need most of those things going for you.

    The chin is a key issue. If Haye took punches like Chagaev the fight would be Evens. He doesn't, and all Klitschko's physical advantages and tighter skills then come into play because he's far more likely to land the killer blow.

    The rest of the fighters out there are far from "bums". If Haye went out there and earnt his shot against contenders I wouldn't be entirely confident he'd come out the other side without a loss.
     
  8. robpalmer135

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    Does it not just make the other fighters stupid for not doing what Haye has done. earning the shot with his mouth.

    There is nothing stopping Eddie Chambers or Arreola getting a title shot this year, they could of done what Haye did they jsut didn't have the brain cells to do it.

    Haye earned his title **** by becoming cruiserweight champion and then making a name for himself. Chambers and Arreola still have not made a name for themselves.

    I was in vegas last week and all the fight fans i spoke to (about 50% of guys you speak to are really into there boxing its great) said they wanna see what Haye is made off whether they liked him or didnt.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    All very well, I'm just saying if Haye went out there and fought a Povetkin, a Dimitrenko hell even Chagaev I wouldn't be that confident about Haye. He might win and he might not, thats how I feel about him based on his less than sturdy chin and his last performance against Barrett which didn't really impress me.
     
  10. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodI completely agree with you if this was all about Haye against Wlad- I really do think he's Wlad's worst nightmare. As for Vitali, I think you do need a decent chin and a hell of a lot of stamina just to impose yourself on him. Out of both the Klits, Haye will dispose of Wlad with hardly any problems, IMO. As for Vitali, I think it's a different story. Forget the shiny belts- if Haye beats Vitali he is the best at HW by a country mile, IMO.

    As for others who can mix it up with the bros, I think Arreola would cause Wlad some problems but his fitness will be his undoing in the end against either brother. For me, both Povetkin and Chambers will get beaten by the Klits as well.

    Oh yeah- and Valuev could destroy both bros :lol::lol::lol:. Lol.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Chambers ain't gonna beat Dimitrenko nevermind Wlad.
     
  12. digregorio1.

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    one thing that really annoyed me watchin chaguev, and a reason why i see Haye fairing much better than him and most of Wlads recent opponents, is that chaguev was losing every round and not once did he use a bit of foot work and start uinloading on Klitsckho, everyone knows Wlad is scared of being hit and has a weak chin and i know its easier said than done but Chaguev didnt even look as tho he was trying anything different and didnt look as though he wanted to win, and Haye has the heart and brain to go for it and do something different if he's finding it tough against Wlad

    now ive never boxed before so maybe getting hit by Wlads "jabs" all night just wears you down but if it was me and i knew that i was about to be pulled out of the biggest fight of my life and my opponent was susceptable to a big shot i would atleast start throwing some big bombs hoping for a lucky hit - even if i looked like a kid fighting in a playground, cz what do u have to lose
     
  13. robpalmer135

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    I beleive that Monte Barret was honestly the best opponent that Haye could face. No doubt he offered decent cash to everyone ranked above him and they all turned it down. What can Haye do if people are avoiding him???
     
  14. robpalmer135

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    I agree.
     
  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    What do you mean theres "no doubt" he offered decent cash to other contenders? No doubt according to who, you? Haye? The only thing we know for sure is he fought Barrett who is not really indicative of anything in the heavyweight landscape.

    As for his performance that is a matter of opinion. I personally wasn't very impressed because he forgot his boxing and what made him a cruiserweight champ. He looked like he believed his own hype and was too intent on sending a message to Wlad. Leaping in throwing wild rights over and over until they landed. It was more madness than method.