Is holding on the rope to prevent one's fall a knockdown?

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  1. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's what happened in the 3rd round when Marquez was hit by legitimate punch and held on to the rope to prevent himself from falling down. The referee should have ruled a KD and the score in the round should be 10-7 in favor of Pac.

    Ergo, Pac should be a clear winner by 115-113, no matter what Marquez's nuthuggers would say.
     
  2. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Juan Manuel was lucky but brother Rafa was not. :lol:
     
  3. Soriano

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    Mexican Jew, may I know who you scored "NO"?

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  4. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    When a fighter sits on the rope after being hit by a punch . . . the rules says it's a KD . . . so if a fighter holds on to the ropes . . . it should also be a KD . . . but . . . that's subjective defending on how obvious it maybe and depending on how the ref sees it.
     
  5. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's the GIF image of that rope holding for your appreciation. Disregard the written commentary. How would you guys rule this if you are the referee? A KD or not?

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  6. IsaL

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    No in this case dude. Sorry, but nice try. When someone gets ruled KD against the ropes, it's usually when he is leaning back against the ropes and otherwise would have without a DOUBT fallen to the canvas had he not been resting on them.

    In this case Marquez simply had his glove on the rope, was off balance after the punch, but the ref nor anyone can say for sure that he would have ate canvas had he not had his hand over the rope.
     
  7. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you're wrong in this case. Marquez as shown here has apparent lost his balance. You can see that he held on to the rope to prevent himself from falling down. Without the rope, Marquez would have fallen down. Notice that he is slowly going down as his weight shifted to his falling torso.
     
  8. getup

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    you are wrong in this case the rule states if it holds(in any way,ass,legs,back,arms,gloves)you up...,

    see ruddock-morrison round2:deal

    the rule is very clear
     
  9. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    there has to be credit given to the fighter for trying to stay on his feet.. it says alot about his state of conciousness when hes been hit and still has enough lights on upstairs to try and keep himself upright and i dont think its justified that a fighter should profit so highly from a shot that was GOOD but not quite enough.... because chances are the guy has probably won the round with a shot like that anyway but two points seems a little steep.. knockdowns should be clean...
     
  10. getup

    getup Say Yeah! Full Member

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    all points right on here..,also look at his feet..,thats a KD but the ref was out of position to see the glove on the rope..,
     
  11. getup

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    that has exactly nothing to do with the rule..,well stated though
     
  12. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes it is a knockdown.
     
  13. link2296

    link2296 Boxing Addict banned

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    It's entirely up to the ref in charge!!
     
  14. getup

    getup Say Yeah! Full Member

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    sorry the rules arent up to the ref..,


    he must follow procedure,protocol and most importantly the rules.
     
  15. CrazyMac

    CrazyMac Nearly ExArmy Full Member

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    I dont think you should be aloud to sit on the ropes. The fighter could become stuck and take unnecessary punishment. However If your aloud to be knocked off balance and land with your upper back on the ropes. I dont see any harm in being aloud to use an arm or hand on the ropes. Its one less limb to protect himself and gives the attacking fighter a good chance to land something clean. Then again, the rules are clear and it's how the ref see's it. I personally think that i could have recovered from the squat that Marquez is in.