Is holding on the rope to prevent one's fall a knockdown?

You know, this is a very informative answer lol. You didn't watch the fight, and us fans know because you thought PAc won without the knockdown lol. Classic:rofl . How did you find this boxing forum? We need more insight from you on this site lol...Did you follow Megatron here, and find a pair of glasses leading you to this planet? lol. Did a pair of glasses lead you to this site? lol...

 

When you freeze-frame and zoom in you can clearly marquez doesn't grab the ropes, but rather Divac's fully erect *****.

 

Exactly lol...

 

lol that's a KD! :yep

nice gif

 

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sorry i missed this reply divac. just one question, do you think marquez would have not fall-down even without the ropes? do you really believe that it was jmm's footing that truly prevented the knockdown?

 

When I look at it in real time, It does'nt look to me like it was the ropes that kept JMM up.
You look at JMM's eyes, and he never glances at the ropes to reach out for them.

In that clip, it looks like from the position of JMM's left foot outstretched outward, that he cant possibly prevent his fall without reaching for the ropes......but upon closer inspection, when JMM's left foot is outstretched foward to his body, look at where his right foot is at?
Marquez' right foot is bent in a squat position right underneath holding up his whole body.
The position of his right foot is what prevented him from going down.
Its pretty clear to me.

.....and at the very least, the ref cant say for certain that the ropes are what held him up.
In real time its happening so fast, and Marquez never wrapped himself with the ropes.....the ropes barely had a give and movement to them as JMM's arm came in contact with it.

Look at it in real time, and be honest with yourself no rooting for it to be a knockdown from a Pac fans perspective.

 

Nice avatar!
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IF JMM was in the middle of the ring when he was hit, where will he HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE?!

One things for sure! His ASS would have had another taste of CANVASS

 

when i looked it at real time (video) it seems to me that using the rope had prevented jmm from falling down. i noticed this also live in the cinemas and shouted that it should be a knockdown but probably, the referee would not call it since it was almost simultaneous with the bell. the action happened in a very fast pace ,since pac is bent on ending jmm for this round, so jmm would never have the time to glance for the ropes. his reflex and instinct just told him to grab to stay afloat.

the clip doesn't tell the whole thing. yes jmm still has good right foot but the right punch that hit him made jmm off-balance and that right foot was not enough that jmm instinctively used his right hand to prevent him from falling down after this frame.

this is where we agree that is why i have reservations that bayless would call it even if it is a valid knockdown. but some referee do call it, those with fast eyes and quick-minded refs.

 

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haven't finished all of it yet. ricardo martinez = p4p#1 :yep

 

To prove my point, next time you're out in an open area with a friend, maybe a recreational park area wheres there's grass so nobody gets hurt......but without him knowing what your're about to do, confront him eye to eye and give him a reasonably hard push with both of your hands to the chest area......

I bet that your friend is instinctively going to throw his hands outward as JMM did even without anything to grab onto.

When you lose your balance like that, one instintively positions his body limbs to prevent the fall.
By outstretching his arms like that, he's helping his body balance itself to stay upright.

Even from the clip in this thread, JMM happens to have his right arm come in contact with the ropes, but look at his left arm, there was no rope there, but it was also outstretched in almost the same position that his right arm was, only there was no rope for the arm to have coincidentally come in touch with.

999 times out of 100, a ref is not going to call that a knockdown.

The only way thats would have been ruled a knockdown by a ref, is if there were fighting in the Phillipines with a Pinoy ref.....lets be honest with ourselves here.

.....and PNN, can you give me an example of a fight you've seen that in a similar situation like that of JMM's that the ref ruled it a knockdown?

I could only think of one situation that came to my mind, and that was Holmes vs Cooney. The ref rightfully ruled a knockdown because Cooney got hit, lost his balance, but wrapped his whole arm around the top rope and hung there to prevent from going down.
....it was so obvious that reaching for the ropes prevented his fall, as his Cooney was just hanging there with his arm wrapped around the whole top rope!

 

the last 5 seconds of the vazquez-marquez 3. it is paced slower than round 3 of pac-jmm 2 and have 5 seconds left instead of less than 1 second. the ref here was forced to make this a knockdown since rafa is holding on the ropes while vazquez rushes in.

haven't seen holmes-cooney but i would check this out.

 

rules are not the discretion of the referee. Jmm held on to to the ropes to avoid falling down. That was clear as day..like only the blind will deny it. But still it was no big deal. It would have only added to the win.