Is Holyfield THE G.O.A.T?

Holyfield.

 

Yeah, actually Holyfield probably does deserve to be rated about the same as Duran.
:good

 

Not even close. Top 15, yes, Top 10 maybe.

 

I think if he retired after beating Tyson he could of been an all time great. But now it's almost impossible to rank him considering how many losses he's had. When you get banned from most fighting cities because of your loss record that's not a good look. And now that he's 48, seems punch drunk, and is still fighting makes his legacy dwindle by the day.

And sad to say people really loved Holyfield back in the day because they believed he was the truth, pure, Christian he claimed to be. Many of his fans turned their back on him once it came to fruition that he had 9 illegitimate kids and cheated on his wife's. Some people can't separate personal life from sports life. But all these things taken into account has hurt his legacy. Nowadays the average person wouldn't pay $40.00 to see Holyfield fight.

 

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A 12-year-old, 90-pound lanky colt by the name of Cassius Clay bounded toward the ring for his first amateur fight. Seeing his foe, Clay suddenly got the jitters and, looking up wide-eyed at his Dad, blurted, "Cash! Do you see who I'm fightin'?" Mr. Cassius Clay Sr. firmly looked his son in the eye and said, "Yes. And we're going to whup him."

In Muhammad Ali's own words: "Hearing my father say that inspired me. Suddenly I felt good. I had my dad in my corner and I won my first fight."

This is what Tyson lacked.

But for God's grace in a helping hand, we all would be in worse places.

Tyson's achievements as champion are infinitely closer to Ali's and Louis' (and exceed Marciano's) than those of anyone named Battling Siki! This is exactly what I mean by psychobabble! What Tyson had between the ears--along with his physical gifts, of course--took him to reign as champion for three years, 9 defenses, and to regain the title. These are facts that tell us what was between his ears.

Everything else is inaccurate speculation. But Siki! Friend, give the guy a break!

 

Great contrast.

You got me there.

If you think about it, my position credits Tyson more than yours does. I'm saying that his athleticism and those skills he acquired that so perfectly melded with his physicality were so formidable, that even his considerable pathologies weren't enough to stop him from becoming a force in his division -and in HW history.

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Comparing a fighter today to a fighter yesterday is psychobabble...? I don't think there is a psychologist on the planet who would bring up Battling Siki for any reason whatsoever!

 

You forgot the 1 in front of that 3. That'd be more accurate.

 

B-e-a-utiful post.

 

I don't forget things.


For your pleasure, here's a picture of old Holyfield making big bad Iron Mike his *****.

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Aww, he thought he could actually beat him.

 

-Give the man a break. After being called washed up and transitional Champion at best for so long, dethroning Tyson to become the number one Heavyweight in the World had to be a hell of a high.

-In recent interviews, Evander also said he would be the undisputed Champion of the World again.

 

Has any fighter that's considered to have elite stamina and chin been rocked as often or winded as much as Holyfield? The guy would be panting for air within 5 rounds. Michael Dokes was beating him around the ring. Imagine what a prime, focused Tyson would do.

 

no, he couldnt beat any hot up and comers

 

EXACTLY.

On a personal note, keep putting up those tasty avatars! :good

 

It is a happy day in Tysonland when Stonehands praises Mike! :good

Depends on the fighters...

And why not?!!! The Senegalese is a case-study warning to shrink-avoiders everywhere! :yikes

 

Psychology: The study of the Id by the Odd.