Is Hopkins currently one of the best 15 fighters in the world? If so, why?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Mar 19, 2008.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I keep seeing him on all these lists, as one of the top 5 fighters in the world, or top 10 fighters in the world. Well, let's see an argument for him being at least in the Top 15...

    I am not going to argue against anyone anymore; I have promised not to make or criticise p4p lists anymore, but I would be very interested to see on what basis he is rated as highly as he is. Thank you.
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's a vastly experienced world champ with a line in winning ugy. Anyone who gets into the ring with him at and around the weight taking him as lightly as you guys are will lose. This tells me that he is indeed in the top 15.

    Basically, a legend who is winning fights should be highly regarded. He certainly is by his peers. Hollyfield picked him to win against Joe Calzaghe last week.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Is RJJ in the top 15 too? If not, why not?
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Roy's level of competition has not been high enough that he can be ranked amongst the elite.

    Interestingly he's just crept back into Ring's top 10 at 175...
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well...he did lose to Tarver and Johnson, but that was in the past. If Hopkins, who lost twice to Taylor in the past is in the top 5-10, because he beat Tarver and Wright, why isn't Jones in the top 10-15, since he beat Trinidad?
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    Quality.

    That he has wins over fighters who were universally recognized as top 10 P4P fighters when he beat them speaks volumes in his favor, especially considering he had jumped two weight classes at age 40 and proceeded to humiliate the universally recognized top dog at 175 with relative ease, as a 4:1 underdog, no less.

    Of course, the delusional Calslappy Fanboys are playing their typical card. They criticize his opposition in the build-up, and afterwards, his opponents are elevated to all-time greats.

    The fact remains, Calzaghe has beaten three decent fighters in his entire career, while the rest of his opposition can best be described as mediocre in the context of this discussion.

    All I know, is I look forward to hearing excuses from the Calzaghe faithful after he is outclassed by Bernard Hopkins.

    :smoke
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Wright would lose handily to Jones right now if the fight was at 170, he doesn't have the power or the legs to even bother Jones and Jones would just have fun and win a wide UD on the bigger shots landed(Jones still has handspeed and good timing/decent power). Wright's not even a LHW, I wouldn't tip him to beat any top 15 LHW, the guys are too big and too powerful for him.

    Hopkins looked like **** against Wright.

    They're honestly about on the same level, I really believe that Jones would easily defeat the current Tarver, the one Hopkins fought who was weight drained and mentally not even there.

    I also think the Tarver Jones got KTFO against would have maybe not beaten Hopkins, but would have done a hell of a lot more.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Please read the question carefully. It is not asking whether Hopkins used to be one of the best fighters in the world, in the past. It is asking whether he is one of the best 15 currently, and if so, why.
     
  10. McGrain

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    You know the answer. Trinidad was coming back of a two year lay off and fighting 23lbs north of his best weight. This combination renders that win something of a joke in my eyes.

    The comparison isn't really sensible. Hopkins has remained active at the highest level. Jones hasn't fought at the highest level since he was completely starctched by Glen Johnson.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well, they may be about the same level at 170, but Winky shouldn't be considered anything but a 160 fighter, these days.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    As you know, I can't see a win for Hopkins in this one.

    But these excuses would be a good read in that event!
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes, I know the answer. :good

    However, I don't know the answer to the question of the thread! :conf
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I thought you considered him 21st?

    That would make your answer "no".
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    What would be more surprising: for a top 20 odd fighter to get a controversial win over a top 5 fighter in a disrupted fight, say, or for a top 5 fighter to beat a top 4 fighter very convincingly?

    I am looking forward to the excuses of those who rate Hopkins above Calzaghe in their rankings, after Calzaghe deals with him in brutal, dominating fashion. They should be a hell of a better read than my excuses would have to be, if Hopkins won.