Is Hopkins currently one of the best 15 fighters in the world? If so, why?

He's not been that great since he was at 154, his strength and size advantage has been absent at 160 and above.

Realistically, he's an extremely overrated fighter who's faults are never looked at. An excellent fighter at 154, top class, a good fighter at 160(just good, see the Soliman, Quartey and Taylor fights)and he looked just **** terrible at 170.

The story on Wright is that he's one of the best ever at 154 H2H and has a decent resume there and that when he's moved up he's lost effectiveness.

His resume though is quite overrated. He had a serious style and size advantage over Mosely, yet Mosely still took the fight very close in their rematch(that's a negative IMO), Mosely isn't a potent LMW at all, then of course he shutout a past prime Trinidad with a serious style advantage. Then he struggled with Soliman, drew with Taylor, then beat Quartey in a semi-competitive fight where Quartey was actually doing well early on, Quartey is also shot and a former Welter coming off of a controversial loss to an unhealthy Forrest and a struggle against Verno Phillips.

These things are just not looked at.

Add in the embarassing loss to Vasquez, the close but fair loss to Vargas(winky fans are ridiculous) and the loss to Harry Simon and I think it's clear that he's become extremely overrated and the people who call him an ATG should be examined.

Though, when you outclass overmatched BIG NAMES, this tends to happen, nobody noticed that Winky was excellent before hand even though it was obvious that he was a highly skilled fighter who was potent at 154, H2H a top 5 at that weight!

Right now he loses to any good MW and that's a shallow division.

There's my assessment.:good

 

Well if we all adopt the IntentionalButt-Huki-Amsterdamic P4P criteria, he wouldn't even be top 20, top 25 being generous because he's still a top 7 or so LHW on trickyness and experience, that's about it.:yep

I doubt he'd defeat Danny Green mate, he's well past his best.

 

Rumsfeld knows nothing about boxing, don't even bother. He's grown on me some, I kind of like some of his politics now and would be a drinking/partying friend from a distance, but his boxing posts are still down at the bottom.:yep

 

I met Winky Wright, he's a nice guy, I don't like slating him, but these Winky fans(mostly just apologists that relate to that shit****er Jermain Taylor and Hopkins nutriders)are just getting ridiculous.

If he was so potent at 160, he would have TOOLED Soliman, who was molested by Anthony Mundine(Mundine DIDNT EVEN TRY, just PLAYED AROUND) and lost handily to Bika in the contender. Granted that's a division above, but Soliman even dropped some rounds to the C level Ornelas.

Get my drift mate? I like Sam, but he's a C+ fighter at best, a fun fighter and a great guy and even a credit to the sport, he's been in with some serious comp and always entertains, but you shouldn't be losing 5 and arguably 6 rounds to him. Winky barely edged that fight.

Hopkins got so much credit for beating Wright, imagine if Wright stepped in with Calzaghe and got brutally massacred(SOLIMAN was a bad style apparantley with awkwardness and workrate), they'd all say 'Wright sucks at 168'....

NO **** GUYS.

I wouldn't give Joe any credit either, just like I don't give Hoppy much credit for that win.:yep

And in being fair, I'll only give Joe credit if he obliterates Hopkins, even dropping a round and I'll say it's not much of a win and if he doesn't stop him, ain't much of a win either. A blowout will recieve some credit, because I don't think many LHW's would blow out Hops even if they beat him.

 

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I'd take these guys over the current Hops -

Green
Johnson
Woods
Erdei
Dawson(obvious)
Diaconu
Calzaghe

That's about it.