Is Hopkins currently one of the best 15 fighters in the world? If so, why?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Mar 19, 2008.


  1. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    Trinidad hardly exists. Taylor is a top 20 pfp guy.
     
  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taylor was undefeated and showed skill, speed and power to take it away from Hopkins under tremendous pressure in July 2005. He jabbed and that was very much the difference in that fight, he went downstairs with flurries like Pat Burns advised him to do, he took some shots and held on, fought all the way to the finish. OK, Taylor has problems with his defense but Kessler doesn't move his body, doesn't move his head, stands right in front of you and tries to catch you with a powershot. I don't see why I can't compare Kessler with Taylor?... Hopkins was said to be old since Vanderpool took him before 2001 and it still was too much for him, Holmes, Tito, Oscar, almost for Taylor, Antonio and Winky...
     
  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everybody is saying that Winky was impressive enough to beat Taylor, maybe not Soliman and Quartey, but I can't say that 10 pounds more didn't affect his performance. Here's hoping that 7 pounds more won't affect Calzaghe's performance as much.

    I didn't compare Winky to Mikkel directly. Just that Winky presented technical problems to Nard that Kessler didn't present to Joe, and Kessler presented physical problems to Calzaghe that Wright didn't present to Hops. I watched those fights very carefully and too many times by now...
     
  4. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you ( I suppose Amsterdam and Decebal) dismiss Hopkins and Wright because they were visibly old, Calzaghe has nothing to prove fighting one of them and specially after beating Kessler. He should rematch with Kessler in Copenhagen and not fight Hopkins in the US. I don't understand why Calzaghe said that Hopkins performance against Tarver ( 13 months before Winky) was beautiful and that his fight with Bernard would be the fight of the decade ( to Max Kellerman in the Bika post-fight interview)... He says that Kessler is not an exceptional fighter and that his fight with Hopkins would be fight of the decade... Is there a chance that Calzaghe doesn't know what he's saying or that in those Calzaghe words, therein lays some truth? Calzaghe may believe that this version of Hopkins is superior to Kessler and that is precisely the opposite to what you are saying...
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'd prefer a rematch against kessler, but after Kessler destroys some overrated western name and impresses the boxing fanbase, sure.

    This Hopkins fight means nothing to me. I've stated this a lot.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Nah...

    Everyone here who is a fan of Calzaghe think that his victory over Kessler is more significant than his victory over Hopkins will be, unless Calzaghe not only dominates him/stops him, but also outsmarts him strategically/ phsycologically dominates him. Yeah, Calzaghe would do better to rematch Kessler, but he DID beat Kessler clearly, so he probably argues he has nothing left to prove against the man. On the other hand, it's always been his dream to fight an American legend and since he is beign so underrated in the USA not having beaten one yet, he feels he'll only get recognition in the USA if he beats one. Hopkins seems the perfect candidate - look how highly rated he is by the American Ring and other boxing websites/publications. Look how much the American fans overrate him!

    Who can blame him for taking on a risk/reward peach of a fight for a lot of money, given the state of people#s perceptions.

    In fact, Calzaghe would prove more in pure boxing terms if he beat Bute or Mundine, than Bhops...and I have them lower p4p than Bhops. But in this case, Calzaghe would prove his fitness and reflexes more than anything, which is unfair; I'd rather he proved his ring-generalship, strategy and cunning against Bhops, even though it means less, in pure boxing terms.
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I can find plenty of ways to blame him, but he doesn't have the mindset of a GOD and never has. Calzaghe may fight like a boxing virtuoso, but his mindset is very standard, same like Hopkins.

    Nobody today truly fights anybody, some guys think Taylor does, but he had a career payday against Calzaghe on the table and turned it down, obviously he won't fight ANYBODY, Pavlik was taken because he's beatable.

    It's obvious that he won't take a fight he's ridiculously overmatched in.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Funny that Miranda and Bika for example look like they would fight anybody...health permitting...of course, the stakes are much lower for the them and both have lost already, so it's an unfair comparison.

    On the other hand, even a very good up-and-comer like Dawson is afraid of really fighting decent but not special contenders like Diaconu, and would rather not go through with it if they can in fact fight safety-first have-been NAMES instead. And look at Bute...looks like his mandatory against Andrade will be the best fight he'll fight all year. All least we have Kessler to look forward too next year, if he remains unbeaten...
     
  9. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think the "I'll fight anyone" attitude dies above 147 lbs.

    Taylor even said he's gonna fight the guy who brings him the most money.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Miranda truly will fight anybody, I'll give him that, stepping in the ring with Kessler takes INSANE balls. But luckily Miranda is nuts and doesn't know what he's getting into.

    Dawson has everything to lose, a brutal loss to Kessler is also a payday for Miranda and Miranda will still have fans as a TV fighter.

    Zab Judah fights anybody also, his competition is probably the best in boxing.:yep
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Quite right! Boxing is a business. Risk/reward rules the roost.

    This is not amateur boxing we're talking of, where they fight for a medal around their neck and applause from the public. This is for money first and formost.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    And Judah too, is not all there, is he? I guess those who have balls of brass never are all there...:yep
     
  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Judah's a lunatic...:yep
     
  14. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it has to do with the weight class...smaller guys aren't always given the respect (and how many 140- guys get major massive bucks excluding the mexican warriors and Pac?) so they have to fight each other to really prove their worth. It's why IMHO a lot of lower weight class fighters burn out so early.

    Bigger guys are already put on a pedestal because they're in the "money divisions" and thus opposition isn't exactly vital compared to cash.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    This is true.

    As the HBO commentators said recently: "Can you even imagine us sitting down to watch two SFWs as the main event a couple of years ago?!"