Is Hopkins ever going to fight Dawson, the legit LHW.

i agree chad doesnt change that but its a better fight than most other options calzaghe has now.

not sure what you mean by your second point.

 

Toney was PAST prime. The only thing he evolved into was blubber.

Hindsights a wonderfull thing. ****in Bika could rule the SMW and LHW division for years too come, let alone Kessler. Im sure when Hop was drawing with Mercado folk werent mightly impressed.

Doesnt change Bad Intentions2's point of fighting World class proven prime fighters. Roy didnt. And that was the first too spring to mind. Im sure if i thought about it I'd have a few more that Calzaghe couldnt come close to touching in terms of greatness who have also failed to adhere to such specific criteria.


And it also doesnt change the fact that fighting Dawson doesnt alter it in the ****in slightest.

 

100% agree if he fights on it's either Chad or Hop for me.

You said he should fight Dawson coz that 37 yr old fighter(Calzaghe) has never fought a proven world class prime fighter. I was stating that either did Roy. And it's done him no harm.

 

:rofl:rofl:roflI stopped reading after you said that. Toney was only 24 and hadn't even peaked yet. :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

but he ruled his division on the world stage.

his win against hopkins and ruiz will always rank above anything joe has done because of that.

 

I see what you mean, his workrate is fine though. Against Tarver, Dawson was just toying with him, and you know that. It's not about his workate, it's more about Dawson allowing his opponents on the offense, he just stands there and allows his opponets to hit him. It's not a big flaw, but it's something that needs to be corrected. That can be negatated by good footwork such as circling around his opponet or moving to the side. Also Dawson is sometimes in a positition to engage with his opponents like against Glen Johnson. I thought he did okay, but there was defenisve problems and offensivley he didn't look like himself for some reason, the switch in trainers was probably a factor in that.

 

You should have stopped reading before it. In fact i'd recommend leaving the site.

1. He was 26

2. Who exactly did he beat after the Jones fight that leads you to believe he was anywhere near the fighter that beat Nunn,McCallum,Barkley,DeWitt and Johnson.

3. When did he peak in your eyes Bert.

 

true but like i said below joe never fought hopkins or jones when he had the chance - and picked 43 year old hopkins over pavlik, who he dismissed as "not in his league".

at the time pavlik was seen as a much bigger threat.

there's a big difference between being a quality fighter (which calzaghe is clearly) who doesn't really fight on the world stage, against someone like jones and hopkins who reigned on the world stage.

it made both jones and hopkins open to big fights while calzaghe wasn't.

and that's why calzaghe gets so much criticism on boxing boards.

there's no way an undefeated fighter who approached his career with the aim of fighting the best in the world would have to deal with that - but its legitimate with joe.

 

Yep. Im not debating they're resumes or standing in the game, i was responding to your specific criteria that calzaghe had failed to do, by saying Roy failed it aswell. Which he did.

The Hopkins Calzaghe beat was a far better fighter than the one Roy did. it isnt even Close.

The Ruiz win was a great achievement, no arguments.

 

honestly.

how can you say that an unbeaten hopkins (jones) was a better win than a hopkins with mixed results and on the slide(calzaghe).

a split decision against a fading great is never going to be remembered as well as jones' win against hopkins. no chance.

instead of debating this - you should be asking why joe never sealed the argument 8 years ago and fought hopkins when it counted.

 

Wasn't Tarver the man in the division when he fought him ?

 

tarver was in the right place at the right time when he fought jones.

he'll always be remembered as the man who knocked out roy jones - but thats about it.

 

I was referring to when Hops fought him ..Who was the lineal champ at lh when they fought ?

 

**** me it doesnt matter what Subject it is, me and you always get into it about this exact same topic.

No he didnt fight Roy when he had the chance coz the chance wasnt there. Joe didnt do anything to get it. And while you and everyone else might think that if he had somehow chased him down he would have got the chance, where the Lineal LHW World Champ coudlnt, i have my doubts.

Hopkins didnt fight Calzaghe when he had the chance in 2002, you know that. The fact that you and i are in agreement on his reasons for pulling out is irrelevant when you continue to accuse him of being the one that didnt take the chance. Fact: Calzaghe was presented with the chance, he took it. Hopkins pulled the plug.


****in right he should have fought Pavlik instead of the corpse.

Being American, on an American stage in Weak divisons put Roy and Hop on the world stage. Roy's resume for a fighter of that talent is pathetic and if it wasnt for Tito and ODLH coming from WW, Bhop's 11 year stay in a pathetically weak divsion would look worse than Calzaghe's. And that's saying something.

 

the fact is that calzaghe was always high risk low reward and never - never - pushed his profile or fanbase overseas so a fighter like hopkins or jones who had dominated their divison on the world stage shouldn't have to concede all that hard work for a fighter who racks up title defences against b graders and never has the network backing or finanical pull on PPV to make these fights a reality.

i really dont understand why you dont get this because i keep repeating myself - seriously.