Is Hopkins really past it? Compubox perspective ~ Now with Roy Jones' latest stats!

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah. It's not that judges are using the stats... not at all... even Harold Lederman, the unoffical judge for HBO, aware of the stats, score rounds ignoring Compubox. It's just an extra info, but a pretty useful one if you know when and how to use.
     
  2. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    It's only as useful as the person pressing the button to count the punches is accurate . . . I'm pretty sure there have been instances where compubox numbers have been intentionally fudged so as to justify quetionable decisions.

    And Hopkins' stamina has deteriorated steadily since the Tito fight. The combubox stats agree.
     
  3. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great analysis and I would like to add that Bernard against Pavlik, connected with shots all night without practically ever holding his opponent throughout the contest except towards the end.

    We all know that B-Hop would pile up many of shots after the Tito fight by landing then holding or holding then landing....Against Pavlik he barely used those tactics, he didn't need to...
     
  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bump
     
  5. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thank You
     
  6. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    More evidnce that Hopkins is not an earthling :lol:
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's Compubox time again!

    Again: it's just a statistic, hardly an info to judge a fight or fighter solely on it... but could be useful to see a statistic side of it and maybe find some interesting facts.



    Early in the thread we made a conclusion that despite cutting each others' stats in the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight, the old fox' stats vs. Pavlik were just as good as back in the Tito days, meaning he still produced very good numbers despite his age.

    This time, let's have a look at Roy Jones' latest stats alongside with his fight vs. Tito, the first Tarver fight and the Ruiz fight, so we can see a prime, a post-HW, a post KOs and the latest stats of the former P4P great.

    Jones' number of punches thrown and landed: Ruiz 424/134, Tarver I 424/111, Tarver III 324/85, Tito 482/172, Calzaghe 475/159

    -As you can see, Jones' stats were cut down after the KNOCKOUTS and not after moving down from HW. 400+ punches was the average of the prime Jones' in 12 round fights, he never was the Calzaghe type of busy fighter, just was more accurate and was caught with less punches. He threw the exact numbers vs. Ruiz and Tarver (I). The punches he took shows the difference: Jones was outlanded for the first time in the 1st Tarver fight, but still managed to pull it off...
    -Roy Jones became guy shy as they say, and this is clear in the 3rd Tarver fight: he only threw 324 and landed just 85. Guess what, he lost that fight
    -however, vs. Tito he did not only return to the 400+ category, but he threw more than vs. Ruiz, almost 500 punches, and landed 172, more than vs. Ruiz. Of course: pick a former WW, bring him out of a 2-year retirement, and you'll look good and land as many punches as you want - target practice! Well, here comes the shocker:
    -Roy threw just as many punches vs. Calzaghe, a former SMW champ, the active and actual top P4P-er and a betting favorite. But Roy not only threw as many, but landed almost as many: 159 to be exact, mainly counter shots. Of course, as always, he was so badly outnumbered, that it didn't LOOK like he threw 475 and landed 159. But he did
    -Roy threw AND landed more than vs. Ruiz, and this is even better: Roy threw and landed more than Bernard on Calzaghe: 475 to 468, 159 to 127! Roy was also more accurate than Hopkins, and landed close to the Tito and Ruiz percentages (32% vs. Ruiz, 36% vs. Tito, 33% vs. Calzaghe)
    -as in the case of the Hopkins fight, Calzaghe landed the most punches on Jones ever (344/985, 35%). And as always, Joe's stats show how successfully Hopkins was able to cut down Joe's stats, as he was back at the close to 1000 category this time (and Hopkis was back at his own numbers after the Calzaghe fight)

    -altogether with the stunning output of Calzaghe, gun shy Roy was still able to do his average of years back, and landed just 14 punches less than Kessler, meaning that Roy was the 2nd most succesful on the landing category in Calzaghe fights counted by Compubox
    -stats show how the numbers were cut down after the KO losses and came back in the Tito and Calzaghe fights, were Roy did look more confident - in fact, despite the huge difference in quality and stlye between Calzaghe and Tito, Roy still managed to top the Ruiz average in both fights



    These are just compubox stats, I don't want to make any conclusions, just making a simple comparison. Do what you like with the numbers. I just wanted to show you some interesting statistics, and IMO there are some...
     
  8. newbridgeboxing

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  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It seems not too many are interested...
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Should I do an analisys on Mosley's prime vs. late numbers?
     
  11. KDot10

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    Considering Jones was cut for half of the Calzaghe fight and couldn't see, to land 159 is pretty amazing in terms of what he's capable of at this time in his career. I didn't even think he landed that many
     
  12. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think a interesting comparison would be of pacquiaos career so far. Doing the fights from the first barerra fight to oscar. It may show how his style has changed. Is he more accurate now? Does he throw fewer punches? Who brought his punch accuracy down the most?

    Just a suggestion. :D
     
  13. Random1

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    I'd be interested, this is neat stuff that I missed when you first posted them. The problem, BigBone, is that these are rational, non-hating, non-fanatical posts. To those who do, you're no fun.
     
  14. Rock0052

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    I enjoyed the analysis and it's a good example of something you can use Compubox for. Having just stumbled on this thread, I wouldn't mind a bit if you did the Margo-Mosley bout.:good
     
  15. booradley

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    I agree with your post entirely. Some other problems I see with Compu Box are these:

    When a fighter effectively rolls with punchs (Andrade, Pavlik) those punches show up as if they were good shots.

    Any fighter who catches a lot of punches on his gloves and arms rather than slipping punches gets screwed on the compu box numbers.

    When a fighter maintains just enough distance to take everything off of his opponents punches, compu box still counts them.

    Any punch that is not a jab gets called a "power punch."

    However, I think Big Bone's points about Hopkins are true.