Is inoue greater than Lomachenko

take note: such are the wages of ignominious sycophancy

 

80 while the US have 420. If you reversed the numbers, who do you think would dominate?

 

Inoue, not even remotely close tbh.

 

The US has produced the greatest fighters in the history of the sport. Japan isn't even remotely in the discussion.

 

For a long time the US and Mexico were the only places where it was a major sport. To be fair, it has never been a major sport in Japan

 

Inoue

 

Dude is an excuse factory.

 

Too bad nobody lays a glove on him.

 

There's certainly some truth to that. Nevertheless the current more globalized era in the sport hasn't produced talent that in any way supplants previous American greats.

 

US, Mexico, PR, the UK have been the biggest boxing countries for decades whereas it's only been just very recently that Japan has had an increase in talent and world champions these past few years. Not fair to make the comparison given how much bigger the sport was in those countries compared to boxing in Japan, which wasn't considered a popular sport even when they had their known champions like Fighting Harada, Guts Ishimatsu, and Joichiro Tatsuyoshi around.

Give it some time and perhaps there will be even more talented fighters and champs coming out of Japan, especially now that Inoue and Nakatani have helped boost boxing's popularity over there.

 

It's Inoue clearly for me given his consistency, dominance, title wins and weight jumps.

Although I will say that Loma has fought better competition than Inoue. It's just a shame that circumstances have cheated Loma out of being greater. Fighters that have avoided him (Tank, Garcia) and judges screwing him over (Salido, Haney). No one would argue Loma having a stronger case had he actually officially won those fights on the judges scorecards.

 

Not an unreasonable take.

If Japan in 30 years is on par with Puerto Rico, given the great fighters the latter has produced historically, it will be a remarkable achievement. I wouldn't hold my breath, however, waiting for Japan to match the US.

 

US will always be at the top because there's more US boxers fighting in almost every weight classes while Japan has mostly been dominant in the lower weight classes. Thus far Japan has 3 fighters in the IBHOF, mainly fighters who have fought in the 60s and 70s at Light Flyweight to Bantamweight (Fighting Harada, Masao Ohba, Yoko Gushiken). And even right now future HOFers like Naoya Inoue and Kazuto Ioka are fighting at the lower weights.

Sad to say we're not going to ever expect Japan to produce as many great fighters as US or Mexico historically speaking but at least we'll be seeing more future champions and potential greats coming from Japan in the future now that it's rising in talent.

 

It's not simply a function of numbers.

Any list of the greatest fighters in history will invariably include a disproportionate number of African-Americans. Yet black fighters represent a small fraction of the American population, to say nothing of the global population.

As long as black Americans continue to participate in the sport, that isnt going to change, irrespective of what the Japanese do or don't do.