Is it becoming more difficult for back foot fighters to win BIG fights?

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  1. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I certainly don't think Khan was robbed the other night,but I do think Marquez was,and older examples off the top of my head involve Whitaker v Chavez and De La Hoya.I know aggresion and ring generalship are big issues when it comes to scoring,but are we getting to the stage where guys who fight off the back foot have to win MUCH more decisively than front foot fighters.I know people will disagree but I'm talking about the real Megafights.Even Mayweather seemed to be fighting on the front foot v Ortiz in a way he doesn't usually.I just wonder if this is happening more nowadays and will it be a recurring issue? Cotto-Margarito was an exception,but more for fighters who are specialist counterpunchers and back foot specialists.
     
  2. JN43

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    Look at Haye - Wlad. Haye boxed beautifully off the backfoot, potshotting Wlad. Didn't get the decision.
     
  3. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto-Margarito II.
     
  4. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    Yes. You need to be smart about it though. Leonard fought off of the backfoot to quite a degree against Hagler in what was an extremely close fight, yet he got the decision. He also did it against Duran before Duran quit. Leonard knew exactly when to attack, when to catch the eyes of the judges, after all they are only human and will be swayed easier by action they see later compared to action seen earlier in a round.

    To some degree Vargas did it in the Wright fight and got a decision win in another extremely close fight. Clever activity, clean punching and power shots seem to be a constant theme in winning a fight off of the back foot.
     
  5. PityTheFool

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    I did think of that after I put thread in.A rewording is required methinks.:good
     
  6. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For me the best example of HOW to do it.Though I do wonder as boxing becomes more of a minority sport if it is becoming more difficult,and as we are told there are fewer casual fans,it does seem at times a bit more difficult for the counterpunchers in the big PPV fights.Good post.:good
     
  7. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In fairness, Cotto was *dominating punchwise.

    I understand the spirit of your question though.

    I think it is harder in general because a fighter would need to land more clearly in clean effective punching. He doesn't have the idea of effective(or otherwise) aggression behind him. The more aggressive fighter will get the benefit of the doubt when all other things appear equal in a scorer's mind.

    I used to think Harold Lederman wasn't so bad, but lately he just seems to score for the busier guy almost without fail.

    edit: dominating.
     
  8. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    The thing is when you fight off the back foot you have to be effective or you look like your on the retreat

    also you cant allow yourself to get stuck on the ropes or in a corner and get teed off on

    also you need to be able to in fight

    just cause your on the back foot doesnt mean you shouldnt know how to hold your ground a little
     
  10. PR BOXING

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  11. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I agree with the spirit of the thread. It's because of casuals and bad judges, though, unfortunately. Moving forward is some +1 advantage at the get go it appears.
     
  12. PityTheFool

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    I think in a fairly evenly matched big fight,the counterpuncher is at a bigger disadvantage than he would have been 10 or maybe even 5 years ago.
     
  13. Untouchable Man

    Untouchable Man Active Member Full Member

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    there is back peddling and throwing some flashy shots that get blocked by the gloves and there is back footing where you still keep your authority while fighting moving back.
     
  14. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    big to do about nothing front, back, sideways if leather doesnt touch skin you dont win. So sure you want to fight on the back foot, run, evade whatever but, you better be drilling your adversary more than he drills you. A SPARKLING example of this: watch Cotto vs Margo 2 and remember when you get ****ed on a decision because of a lack of activity tough ****!
     
  15. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd's had such a hard time winning decisions when he's decided to fight off the back foot.