Is it Controversial to Rank Roy Jones above Mayweather ?

RJJ was undisputed through out his career and in fact held the most wins at Lt. Heavy undisputed in all of history at 12. Hasn't been done before or since. Floyd was NEVER undisputed. Dude, be a fan but admit facts as well. Nobody worth their salt rates FM jr higher historically over RJJ. I don't win anything from anybody for making this case, it's just historical fact.

 

Sorry, you're right. 5 weight classes, undisputed and voted boxer of the decade during a 90's era that enjoyed the 2nd best all time heavy weight era in history is straight up trash. Got it. I'll do more work. I'm guessing you're a younger guy who doesn't want to acknowledge greatness outside of what you grew up in. Just a guess.

 

Mayweather - never undisputed, but TBE......at navigating prime fighters to keep his zero, LOL

 

I still don't see what that has to do with Tate going the distance with Jackson or it being an underrated win for Jones. You always go off topic I don't care about your opinion on Mayweather or Guerro, especially from someone that likes to bait people for replies and thinks Mayweather is unbeatable from 130 to 160.

Says it all really you're joke.

 

I wonder if noneck realizes that Floyd struggled against Reggie Sanders in only his 2nd fight ever b/c he was a southpaw. That's why his dad took over training him b/c he said "Never put him in their w/ a Southpaw". Mayweather never fought another Southpaw in 30 FIGHTS (look it up Reggie Sanders all the way to Demarcus Corley).

Hardly the stuff of TBE when you spend your career avoiding fighters b/c they are either good, prime OR southpaw. He's an ATG, but not a RJJ, sweet pea, Duran. Leonard, Robinson. Just not one of those guys.

 

Malinga is another underrated performance. Malinga gave both Eubank and Benn hell and Jones beat him like he was nothing. Jones was looking his most unreal around that time.

 

Roy had exactly one fight at HW and only 2 MW title fights. I'd hardly call that cleaning out a division. Floyd won titles in 5 different weight classes with 4 lineal titles and 15 belts. Roy won titles in 4 divisions and only won a single lineal title after not facing the actual lineal champ at 175 for years until he aged out and Julio Gonzalez beat him for Roy. Floyd fought the best opponent in 4 separate weight classes by challenging the man of the division in the lineal champ (or by creating his own lineage by fighting the best contender) when he beat Corrales, Castillo, Pac, and ODLH, whereas Roy only beat Julio Cesar Gonzalez for the lineal title at 175 after not fighting Dariusz Michalczewski for years. Floyd fought 15 reigning world champions, the most in history. Floyd defeated 10 opponents who went on to win titles after losing to him yet he aged out his best opponents? The only guy he did that for was Pac and arguably Cotto but that's it. Mosley and ODLH were both the ones ducking him despite Floyd getting criticised for their age. Was Roy really challenging himself when he fought John Ruiz to cherrypick a title at HW? Whichever way you look at it, when you take everything into account with both of their career's, Floyd's body of work is greater than Roy's.

 

Malinga really beat Benn twice aswell the 1st fight was a gift for Benn, also Malinga beat an undefeated Robin Reid at aged 40 Jones was the only one who really destroyed Malinga.

 

Hopkins was an inexperienced fringe contender barely even in the 160 top 10 when Roy fought him. He was nowhere close to his prime when Roy beat him. Toney was in horrible condition for the Roy fight having not trained for it and never trying to win (I still have my suspicions about this fight being fixed for full disclosure). ODLH (who's underrated these days in my eyes) was better than both at the time Roy beat them imo. It's not like Roy has that many A tier fighters on his resume when there's not much depth to his ledger beyond green B-Hop.

 

Fun fact: Roy was never undisputed in any division.

 

You'll never guess who the best fighter in two decades straight after the 90s was.

 

Roy only won titles in 4 divisions unless you're counting that trinket he was given at cruiser, which most don't since it's not a real world title. The fact he was voted boxer of the decade only speaks to how out of hand his hype-train got. Whitaker had a better record in the 90s for example.

 

And Sosa, Griffin and Johnson... Guys that gave Toney a hard time or even beat him and Jones did pretty much what he wanted with them, except for the first fight against Griffin. For about a decade he was as close to untouchable as I've ever seen.

Mayweather, on the other hand, was amazingly consistent. And had some great prime performances as well, but not quite the same in that regard.

I have no argument with whomever you tank the highest of these two really.

 

He beat Pac, Zab, Corley, Mitchell, and Guererro, who all were all southpaws. He beat Augustus, who was a switch hitter, and Oscar, who was a converted southpaw.

Now once you regain your composure, count out how many southpaws Leonard, Duran, Robinson, Whitaker, and Pac beat who were worth a damn. Count out Roy's wins and loses against the best southpaw he fought.

 

Not at all, in his prime 15 years you can rate Jones w or above anyone and have a solid argument