Is it even possible to pass Sugar Ray Robinson?

Winning 173 fights out of 200, starting boxing at lightweight then going all the way up to middle, boxing for 25 years... up to the age of 44??

No ****ing way you can surpass that.

 

I agree but in fairness, I think Prime RJJ gives SRR a run for his money at MW. At WW no one I think, closest is Leonard.

Actually, Floyd may not be the most devastating fighter, far from it but he is quite possibly the hardest man to beat in the history of the sport. So when taken into that context, a Pac win over Floyd is huge huge huge

 

NAH :nono

 

His punches look absolutely brutal. Speed and power from all angles.

 

Hey I'm not taking saying it should count as a win or anything, he did lose. But he was doing amazingly well when he could no longer continue.

 

His punches comes wide sometimes but he had the speed to get away with it. The only thing people can really pin on Ray was his defense, its not as great as his offensive attributes

 

i just saw this comment on youtube

"Robinson was good but could he have traded with Pavlik? I doubt it very much"

:scaredas:

 

I'd like to laugh and say that this was an awesomely funny joke. I'd like to, but I can't, because I know it's true. That's the sad part.

 

Robinsons offense was his defense and it worked wonders. The guy who defended Robinson back on the first page with a long, well thought-out post was right. Robinson cant be surpassed. His numbers are too great. To the guy who said that we are only saying this because we are looking through a "prism of the present", thats true. However, we are looking at manny pacquiao through the same prism. Its like seeing a girl you think is the most gorgeous thing god could have possibly placed on this earth next to weed and people...then she leaves...you forget about her...see another girl who you think is even hotter...you get it?

Finally, to whoever says Robinsons record cant be surpassed because of health regulations is wrong also. Fighters can fight as much as they want for the most part, most however, choose not too. We seemed to be echoing into an era where fighters deem it alright to quit because, as Ortiz put it in his recent loss, they want to be "able to speak when older". please, seeing fighters end up like Ali or McCllelan or even Robinson is what made fighters afraid to fight.

Yes, i think its possible to surpass Robinson, and that just means fighting as much as possible and against the best opposition, period. Either you want to establish a legacy, or you dont.

 

:good good post

 

:good

Spot on ,no one comes close to him he was made to fight and was a genius at it....also the other difference between him and everyone else is he dared to be great and there can never be a question about it!

 

roy jones G.O.A.T

 

steroids, weak competition. Roy is no Sugar Ray

 

It's possible but it's very unlikely. A boxer would have to have 80+ wins over tough competition. I think some fighters in our generation had a chance to do it and still might. Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, then you have Pacquiao and Mayweather. If Pac or Mayweather do it they'd have to box and beat Shane Mosley, Andre Berto, and Paul Williams. I think if either one of them did that then they'd be approaching the greatness of SSR. Anyone who clears out that division is going to be in the top 5 because it's a talent rich division and all the best fighters are there.


Andre Ward has a chance to, if he wins the tournament in impressive fashion, moves up in weight and does what Bernard Hopkins did, I could see him having a chance too because once again hes in a talent rich division so every fight he has for the next 2-3 years will be a legacy fight. Right now though I think it's between Bernard and Roy, if whomever wins the fight between those two were to take on David Haye and win the world championship there would be no question who the greatest of all time is.

If Roy Jones Jr became a 2 time heavy weight champion and if he beat a guy like David Haye then I'd say he's the greatest boxer who ever lived. If Bernard Hopkins were to beat Roy Jones Jr and move up and beat David Haye at almost 50 years old then I'd say Bernard Hopkins is the greatest fighter who ever lived. And I don't think it would be very debatable.

I think thats why they both are talking about fighting Haye.

 

Its clearly possible, Heck Duran was just a loss away against another great RJJ and he surely would have supplanted SRR.