Is it fair to compare Wlad and this HW era to the past?

Fair or not, Joe Louis would have destroyed either Wlad or Fury last night.

 

Wlad was 245 and Fury was 246.
Their heights are disputed, but I'd say they both fall somewhere between 6'5 and 6'8
If size is the issue, compare them to fighters their own size.

 

The talent pool of 200+ pound fighters has never been greater than it's been, and it's in no small part to the Cruiserweight division.

Carve out the Cruiserweight division and instead blend it with the heavyweights, as it was historically, and it'd be pretty clear that this is a deep era for classically sized heavyweights that people yearn for. The modern label is just different.

There weren't enough 200+ pound fighters that could fight before, which is why it was unnecessary to even have a Cruiserweight division. If you had one to funnel those Cruiser-sized heavyweights into that division in the 70's and before, the Heavyweight division would look much more bleak than what people rag on it for today.

 

No, not really.

 

despite this era being critisised 1940s to 1970`s heavys were virtually north american domestic comps.

i know americans say that the nfl /basketball has taken there talent pool but there are just as many north american pro heavys now as there were then.
what there was not was 100s of overseas heavys.

 

You could have just said that there are more people over 200 plus pounds now competing at heavyweight, due to the Globalized nature of today's boxing. Back then it was practically heavyweight Americans punching each other in the face for 12-15 rounds. No diversity, NONE besides many Black-Americans and some White Americans.

 

And there certainly weren't enough of a surplus of them to have a thriving Cruiserweight division.

 

Spot on.

For some reason people expect fighters who are 6'5+ which is the average today to have he same speed, footmovement etc as the 6' - 6'3 average from the past which is frankly ridiculous.

Technically, if your comparing the divisions on how they would match up very few of the heavyweights from the past would cope with todays stronger, bigger, tougher and superiorly trained fighters. Marciano for example, one of the ATG heavyweights... he wouldn't even be in the heavyweight division today.

Very few boxers from the past would be able to cope with the power todays guys are packing. Todays heavyweight boxers punch harder are better conditioned, better trained and in general tougher. Louis wouldn't be able to eat any of Klitschkos, Hayes or Wilders power shots.

 

i would have to look up olympic results at heavy , i can remember foreman /stevenson/ali as a light heavy , but not if any other nation had many succesful amatuer heavys.

british heavys after the bugner era was absolute ****

i can remember neville meade v price i think it was in about 84 being the only british heavy fight in 10 years because there was no one at heavy deemed good enough and then we had the bruno/derek williams/horace notice era when a few better heaVYS turned up.

european scene was just as bad coopmans and evangalista cannon fodder heavys and they were the best.


american heavys outside of the famous ones were also **** by and large
but i am only 49 and my memory only goes back so far .

big heavys were 6.4 225 foreman granted compared to today

 

I prefered the heavywright division when only americans could compete; no one was over 6 foot and there was zero video footage. Them guys would spank any heavyweight today fact

 

I agree, Dempsey will knock out Fury or Lennox with his weakest jab. Size does not matter unless I want it to

 

How many 6'9" gypsy king dudes did Louis beat?

 

Better conditioned? Fury and his fatness, superb condition! LOL and both men lumbering around the ring after round 5, tripping over their own feet. And tougher????? Are you insane? Gawd, the delusion is strong here today.