Is it feasible to rank Wills over Roy Jones in an ATG list?

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  1. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    No, although he has multiple wins over quality fighters.

    Jones has 'achievement' and footage on his side and a lot of decent wins and a couple of 'wow' victories.

    No contest for me.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    RJ all the way. Wills could fight though.
     
  4. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    And dominance. Freakish dominance, at that.
     
  5. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Talking about these guys that we really can't study on film has never been a favorite topic of mine... but I am voting for Jones. Just because it's not a favorite topic of mine doesn't mean that I don't know a **** load about old fighters like Wills... I do.

    Wills was a very good fighter. 6'2" with a 77" reach and about 210 Lbs. He went 87-10-6 (54) 5ND in 108 pro fights (at least from one source) overall. He was only stopped 5 times. He was the Colored HW World Champ but never got a shot at the HW World Title for obvious reasons.

    He fought a lot of good fighters several times but some of those fights were little more than exhibitions even though they count as wins, losses, and draws on his record. With that said, his record states that he faced-

    George Kid Cotton (LKOby2 very early in his career). He went 4-1 (4) vs. Cotton lifetime. Cotton was nothing special.

    Joe Jeannette, he went 1-0-2 vs. Jeannette.

    Sam Langford, he went 13-2-2 (2) vs. Langford but was stopped in both of the losses.

    Willie Meehan W4

    Sam McVea, he went 3-2 (1) 1NC vs. McVea

    Battling Jim Johnson (LKOby2) He went 2-1 vs. Johnson lifetime. Johnson was a durable fighter but nothing special.

    Fred Fulton KO3

    Luis Firpo W12

    Late in his career he lost to-

    Jack Sharkey LDQ13
    Paulino Uzcudun LKOby4

    17 fights vs. Langford! I couldn't imagine they went at it 100% serious everytime.
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Yes.
    If Wills can be argued over Dempsey, he can be argued over RJJ.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    As a hw, sure thing.

    P4p not a chance