Is It Managable To Take PEDs Within 14 Days Of A Fight And Not Get Caught?

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    People take these things in cycles right? You wind down training at that point. So unless Pac has some nagging injury, can it really do anything for him. I mean really effectively help him? How can this be significant at all?
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It's really the first question that applies. Let's just assume the second one doesn't as I don't think it does (As others say). I don't see how the first question can be answered; considering all that money and considering Pac's pride.
     
  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If that were TRUE, there'd be no dopers in other sports where there is more rigorous random testing such as cycling. There are a lot of dopers in cycling. What does that tell you?

    If... if... if people want to dope, they will dope anyways. Your not going to prevent 100% doping so don't expect this miracle that some highschool dropout talks about.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Thank you, I thought so.

    This was for all the people that are harping "Random up until the fight, random up until the fight. It's not random if it is not up until the fight because you will know when you can't get caught."

    The logic for Pac is he doesn't like testing too soon to a fight and contributes it to the reason he lost to Morales (Along with ten other). Still, he is well within his right and is actually sacrificing some mental training for a little bit time with this test. Unless he can be fine... he should. He's a fighter and not a baby.

    14 days seems reasonable. If Floyd doesn't take it then it's a duck-job or he's rooted into a moronic principle. The former is probably more likely.
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    You can cheat and not got caught. But effectively?

    You can't cheat 14 days. You'll get caught. So maybe you can cheat a week or 9-10 days at the most without getting caught. And that's still very dangerous. How much benefits can you really wreak. At a time when you're WINDING the training down? Seems like a ******ed stance to not budge on if this isn't just negotiations by Mayweather. I believe it is, but if this stops the fight from happening then he's got to be most likely scared of losing.
     
  6. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    This isn't really relevant. We should embrace stronger and better testing.

    Maybe it's possible for them to cheat and get away with it. But then a cut-off point would have never been a problem with Pac's team... I mean all those steroids surely will nullify any mental weakness from taking blood from Pac close to the fight.

    Either-way... let's not digress with that.
     
  7. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's damn relevant for different reasons. You see Pac's resistance on the blood as a sign of a doper when he is more concerned with his personal affliction to blood and not the cheating aspect.

    In reality, there are harsher testing methodologies in practice in world championship level cycling where they randomly test blood, hair, urine. They test off season, in season, leading up to races, in between, while you're at church, up on the slopes, after races...

    All that and a bag of chips and still they catch people. You'd think it wouldn't be manageable to cheat with all that testing right...?

    Again, Pac's stance on blood is more about his personal issues with the act of giving blood not it's impact on the unfounded accusations that he's a cheater.
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No, I realize this.

    I understand

    It's not about cheating and getting away with it. Let me clarify. It's about cheating and getting any real effects within 14 days of a fight. Difficult to do and I don't see how he could get any real benefits out of it. Do you?

    Who's the girl in your avatar by the way? Every-time I see it a get just a little excited. She's like the epitome of sexiness.
     
  9. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Without the elevated levels of testosterone the body will not be able to hormonally support the added mass. He could workout all he wants but his body will be subject to weight loss, less body strength, muscular atrophy (loss of muscle tissue) and increased fat deposits. He may even suffer from depression, and other psychological issues. On top of this the steroids have a good chance of inhibiting his bodies own production of testosterone. Ex:

    "Studies of Dianabol, for example, have shown that a conservative dosage of 20 mg/day after only 10 days leads to a 30% to 40% suppression. Since the body's own hormone production cannot be elevated from one day to the next, the athlete experiences a critical over bridging phase."

    Also, steroids in a nutshell suppresses cortisol and when you stop, the excess cortisol in the body is free to do its job and it starts to attack the muscles breaking down amino acids.

    It not very easy to just stop nor does that process sound very fun. There are ways to reduce the impact, the catabolic phase but that would go counter to fight training. After coming off roids you essentially have to reduce your workout rate and caloric intake. It would seem very difficult to strike a balance.




    The pic is of Emily Haines of Metric. I like her voice... and she's got a great set of legs.

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  10. BoxingFanNo1

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    I get random tests for my offshore work and I can tell you what you're describing was the old method.

    Nowdays the cup you **** in has a thermometer and the temp has to be above a certian level. The old strap a pouch between your butt cheeks and squeeze method is no longer possible.
     
  11. DobyZhee

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    it was probably stipulated in their contracts to cut off testing if that story is true about the 18 day cutoff.

    What else would explain why the USADA did not continue testing. I mean, that's money out of their pocket if they don't test.
     
  12. DobyZhee

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    I always hid my fake urine in my socks..not in my butt cheeks..:huh
     
  13. BoxingFanNo1

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    The butt cheeks way was the main old school method used by Olympians and cyclists.

    Even back then the tester would stand behind or outside looking in to the toilet. Athletes would have the tube strapped to their Johnson and could control flow thus making it more realistic by squeezing their cheeks together.
     
  14. Farmboxer

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    Void does not want to fight Pac, thus the lies. Void never asked anyone to take extra tests until he had to save face by running from Pac. Pac agreed to take a blood test and urine test right after the fight!
     
  15. markrigh

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    There is an easy way to emulate the use of EPO.
    You do your training camp at high altitudes (1000-1500m) for 2-3 weeks and then go back down and have your fight as quickly as possible.
    The result is a higher V02max but at the 10th day, there will be a degradation in performance.