Is it more honorable to lose to a fighter while injured or to outright DUCK THEM?

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  1. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just thinking of how Kessler fans are quick to say that Green lost to Miranda when Green had 60% of his intestines removed, but then I remembered....

    KESSLER DUCKED MIRANDA STRAIGHT UP.

    Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda

    By Dan Rafael

    ESPN.com
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    A May 24 super middleweight showdown between former unified titleholder Mikkel Kessler and brash puncher Edison Miranda imploded Tuesday when Kessler withdrew from the fight.
    Miranda promoter Leon Margules of Seminole Warriors Boxing and promoter Lou DiBella, who brokered the deal on behalf of Kessler's Danish promoter Mogens Palle, both were at a loss to explain why Kessler pulled out of a fight that Showtime had already announced on its Web site.

    The sides agreed to a deal March 14 and were finalizing the paperwork when, according to Margules, Kessler agent Michael Marley informed Showtime on Tuesday that the fight was off.

    "I have no idea why he pulled out. He must be afraid to fight Miranda," Margules told ESPN.com. "We gave them everything they asked for. Showtime gave them everything they asked for."

    Margules said Showtime, which agreed to pay $1 million for the fight and beat HBO's offer, wanted the fight so badly that it even agreed to change the date of its "Showtime Championship Boxing" telecast from May 10 to May 24 to accommodate Kessler, who felt he needed additional time to train.

    "The Kessler people haven't given me an explanation," Margules said. "They're acting like we're [messing] with them. I'm outraged. If their explanation is that we didn't meet their deal points, I have their points in writing. Everything was in the contract that they asked for. They wanted it to be a 10-round fight. We gave them that because they wouldn't even discuss a 12-rounder. They insisted on all sorts of things and we gave them everything."

    Among other concessions given to Kessler: The bout would not take place on Native American property or in Florida. Seminole Warriors Boxing is a Native American-operated promotional company based in Hollywood, Fla.

    Also, Kessler was to be paid 400,000 Euros (approximately $600,000 U.S.) and Palle would retain lucrative television rights in Scandinavia, Germany and other territories.

    "They took the fight and then they backed out," Margules said. "We had a deal in writing, and although it was not signed yet, we all said, 'We have a deal.' Showtime even had the fight on its Web site. Everything was worked out and my fighter was in camp. And then, no fight."

    Margules said Marley didn't even bother to call him and that he found out from Showtime that the fight was off.

    DiBella was also disgusted with Kessler and his team.

    "I was dealing with Mogens Palle and Mike Marley. I should have expected no less," DiBella said. "I found this fight for Kessler at the request of Mogens and I spent a lot of time working on it. We sent them a contract reflecting everything they asked for. But then Mike wouldn't take my calls for a week and Mogens has been ill. No one ever came back with comments on the contract and then Mike called [Showtime's] Ken Hershman directly and blamed me, saying the contract didn't reflect the deal. Then Ken asked him why they never came back with comments on the contract and Mike changed his tune and said that Kessler had some other opportunity for a world title fight. Which is it?

    "The way in which this was handled is preposterous. If they didn't want the fight, just say so. I made an unbelievable deal for the Kessler side but they are too stupid to see it."

    Marley didn't return a telephone message or e-mail from ESPN.com seeking comment.



    Miranda, who is 2-0 since moving up to super middleweight in the wake of his May 2007 middleweight title elimination loss to Kelly Pavlik, who would go on to win the title, wasn't all that surprised that Kessler withdrew.
    The trash-talking Miranda had goaded Kessler into the accepting the fight in the first place.

    "I didn't get my hopes up because I know Kessler is afraid of me," Miranda said. "We gave him everything he wanted to make this fight and he still wouldn't take it. In fact, the only thing we didn't give him is the opportunity to tie my hands around my back while we fought. But at this point I'm willing to even give him that because I know if I yelled 'boo' at him in the ring he'd turn and run. I said it before and I'll say it again -- he should be ashamed to call himself a 'Viking Warrior.'"

    Kessler (39-1, 29 KOs), of Denmark, hasn't fought since losing his two belts via lopsided decision to Joe Calzaghe in a Nov. 3 unification fight.

    Miranda (30-2, 26 KOs), of Colombia, is one of the biggest punchers in the 168-pound division. Both of his losses came at middleweight, a controversial decision in Germany to Arthur Abraham in a 2006 title bout and the loss to Pavlik.

    Showtime has not decided what it will do about its May card.

    Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.
     
  2. Iron Mike

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    There is nothing wrong with not wanting to fight if you are not fully fit.

    They're already risking their health, and possibly their lives just by entering the ring. So to expect them to do so whilst not physically ready is ridiculous.

    Kessler would have smashed the **** out of Miranda anyway.
     
  3. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet, he ducked him when he was in perfect condition?

    Why?
     
  4. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Is it more honourable to admit when you're exposed as talking bollocks?

    Or just start a new troll thread and ignore the one where you accidently posted the whole story rather than the selectively edited version you meant to?
     
  5. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not referring specifically to this fight, just fighters in general not fighting while injured.

    It's a bit of a moot point with fans. If a fighter retires injured, or does not take a fight due to injury, they are labelled 'cowards' or 'gutless', despite the fact they are merely doing what any sane individual would do.

    People adore those fighters who never quit and would fight with both eyes closed up, but those are the fighters who will sustain permanent damage.
     
  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What does that story matter?

    It was bull****.

    There was no ESPN or HBO posting.

    It was just Kessler trying to save face.

    I looked all over the media networks and couldn't find anywhere where Miranda ducked Kessler, yet there were MANY MANY articles available that said Kessler ducked Miranda.

    So you're telling me that Kessler disregarded a million dollar pay day and instead fought some nobody on an untelivised event?

    Makes plenty of sense.

    Just admit that Kessler ducked Miranda.
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    From the link posted (before he'd read it) by Hendo in his previous thread of failure...

    :hi:
     
  8. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where is the source?

    I didn't see a source.

    On the other one, I saw the source as ESPN, and it wasn't the FIRST article.

    I can post all the other articles that I found that say otherwise.

    It's like if a girl you banged said you got a small dick.

    Are you gonna go on record sayin you got a small dick?

    Kessler is just tryin to save face.

    He ducked Miranda.

    Face it.
     
  9. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Source was you mate.

    Basic facts of this were confirmed by Pantera2000, who is close to the Miranda camp, at the time.

    There was one offer for a non-title fight in Montreal on Showtime, which Kessler pulled out of in order to pursue his position as WBA mandatory to Mundine. There was a later offer for a WBA title fight in Florida on HBO, which Miranda turned down, preferring to stick with a rematch with Abraham which he was already in negotiations for. Just because a fight doesn't happen doesn't mean anyone is ducking.

    These facts are known to anyone who was paying attention at the time and can read. The only new thing we've established here is that you don't read your own cites.
     
  10. BeeGee

    BeeGee Active Member Full Member

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    theres no honor in ducking
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Yea it makes sense that Kessler ducked to fight Miranda while he's in the super 6 tournament. :rofl
     
  12. Knives7

    Knives7 Boxing Addict banned

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    Let me ask you this? Will you fight while your injured before the fight? Let's say you twist your ankle and it will take 3 months to fully heal? Will you still fight?
     
  13. bigdan

    bigdan Guest

    fighting injured and losing to save face would be stupid. A loss on a fighters resume looks a lot worse than a ducking rumour.....
     
  14. beatsy

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    says in the article 'the kessler people didn't give me an explanation'. It was widely known that kessler was in despute with Palle because he wanted Kessler to fight a big domestic fight with Larsen. Kessler wanted to break in the states? Is it not plausible that Palle was scuppering the deal?