Is it possible for an amateur to win a world title in his first pro fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Oct 1, 2019.

  1. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    I know this sounds stupid but some people seem to think Olmpic gold medalist are elite fighters and I disagree, could any olmpic gold medalist actually have a chance against a world champ in his debut pro fight?
  2. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 10, 2012
    I imagine the likes of Madrimov, Melikuziev, Lomachenko, Inoue could have picked up a world title against a weak champion on debut no worries. It's a case of timing, and luck. You need a weak champion (who can't make you pay for the lack of pro experience), you need a promoter who believes in you enough and a world body who are willing to give you a shot.

    Can one? Yes! Will one? Not some time soon.

    Then you also have the Hyun Mi Choi anomaly, where she won a vacant title on debut.
  3. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Well-Known Member Full Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    It is possible but unlikely.
    No matter how talented and decorated amateur, I doubt they’ll get a shot at a title in their debut fight.
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  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 26, 2009
    Yes, if he fights a champion who is not experienced at the high level.
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  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

    Jan 18, 2010
    If Patterson had gotten injured (Glazkov style) in his Rademacher fight, it would have already happened.
    It's definitely possible, as long if the gold medalist is good enough or the beltholder/champion unlucky enough.
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  6. fenoc1

    fenoc1 Active Member Full Member

    Oct 10, 2009
    Usyk would have won a word title in his first fight. He had enough experience from WSB over 5 rounds to beat one of the weaker world champs over 12 rounds
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Usyk is better than most amateur fighters though, he`s an exceptional boxer most gold medalist aren`t as good as Usyk or as well trained, he`s trained by the same team that train Loma.
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  8. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    Apr 27, 2012
    It’s one thing to think that a pro is better than an amateur, it’s something else to say that an Olympic gold medallist isn’t an elite fighter. That’s just pure ignorance of the sport, that indicates that you don’t know what you’re seeing in the ring.
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  9. Northadox

    Northadox Active Member Full Member

    Apr 9, 2017
    Idk how the politics of it works, but they very well could.

    Lots of USA, Cuban, Kaz, Uzbek and Ukrainian amateurs who are very good and I'd give a good chance
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  10. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Lomachenko smoked Salido's ass in his 2nd pro fight despite the ref and judges.
  11. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Loma would have easily beaten Gradovich in his pro debut, but IBF wouldn't rank him in top 15 without pro fights.
  12. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Rigo, Usyk nor Loma achieved this, it can't be done. And I don't wanna here "they could have" it isn't relevant when they didn't, and I don't know of any am's more skillful than this 3 that are on the horizon that potentially could.
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Do you think if a gold medalist could pace himself that he could beat an elite pro in their debut bout then? Ali was nowhere near his prime in the olympics, even though it was at light heavy, my point is when he first turned pro he struggled to find his feet, he was still learning.
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Loma was better than any amateur in history though and was somewhat of a one-off, most gold medalist are not as skilled as Loma was at all.
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Okay, what about against a top 10 P4P pro then?