Is it Possible we Overrate Duran?

Never said anything like that. Didn't say that Buchanan was a tough fight and didn't say that Duran would lose to Mayweather. You might be grasping at strawmen there, Perry...

 

Have you seen it since? Just curious.

 

Many times. Question is being able to know what you are looking at. I do. Don't believe you do.

 

You are looking at specific bouts and then trying to extrapolate from these bouts how Duran would do against others. Very faulty logic.

 

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Please show me where I have extrapolated how Duran would do against others.

 

Here....
Are you denying that Duran had problems against skilled fighters who used good movement? Buchanan was a solid little boxer but comparing him to Mayweather is a few bridges too far. Lacked Mayweather's mobility, reflexes, and ring iq, for starters

 

Kevin, give it a rest, how stupid do you think we are? We know this is some agenda to make an argument that Duran can't fight movers, and boxers and that will eventually lead you to propose that Mayweather would beat him at 135. The problem is nobody is buying this ****. Buchanan was an excellent boxer and Duran forced him against the ropes and beat the **** out of him. The fights with the Viruet brothers weren't particularly close, then were just skillful enough to avoid getting KO'd but none of these fights were close enough to wonder what the outcome was going to be.

And against Leonard, despite the announcers saying Duran was imposing his style on Leonard and not letting him fight his fight, and despite Leonard himself saying the same thing, you still dismiss it. I mean JC how much actual evidence do you need to show you that you're wrong? Unfortunately the answer is that no amount of evidence is going to change your view of this because you have an agenda and these facts don't coincided with it. It's been a while since I've seen a poster with this degree of tunnel blindness and then pretend it doesn't exist.

 

Perfect Van.

 

The only extrapolation there is that based on his fights against skilled boxers who used movement, Duran would have had problems against Mayweather. If you see any flawed logic in my deductive reasoning there, please explain.

And again, in no way did I suggest that Duran had problems with Buchanan (I only gave Buchanan 2 rounds) or that Mayweather would definitely beat a prime LW Duran (certainly could happen but I would probably make Mayweather a slight underdog).

 

Is that a fact?

 

I can't get over how dishonest of a poster you are. We've been over all the evidence demonstrating that SRL decided to fight Duran flat-footed before the opening bell countless times already. I refuse to rehash it here. All I'll do is repeat what I wrote elsewhere-- if you watch the first round of the fight and read Leonard's pre-fight statements, it's very clear that he intentionally decided not to move like he could have. He fought very different from the onset of the fight and responded very aggressively to Duran's aggression instead of properly using lateral movement and fast legs. The fact that you're here playing dumb again is disappointing but not surprising.

 

I think that's what you believe, but you know the vast majority would disagree with that assessment. But making Mayweather a live underdog isn't unreasonable.

 

When have I ever held back on expressing my real opinions here in fear of disagreement? Give me a break.

 

BTW, honest question: Did you go back and read up on the Viruet fights after our previous thread when I informed you that he fought Viruet twice (and not once like you had suggested), or did you do it just now? Just curious. :think

 

I should clarify.

The initial plan was for Leonard to stay flat footed and fight Duran and not let him get space, because it was felt that if they were actually going to fight, the advantage was in Leonard's favour. Both Dundee and Leonard felt that the power edge clearly belonged to Leonard as he had won the last 5 fights by KO.

But they were wrong, and that became apparent in the second round, when Duran hurt Leonard at least twice and again he hurt him in the 3rd round. At this point Leonard wanted to change strategies and Duran had him pinned against the ropes and wouldn't give him enough space to allow Leonard to start moving laterally. As the fight progress things started to change, and Leonard was able to move more and it made the fight more competitive, but by then, Leonard had lost too many rounds to secure a win. Slightly different circumstances but in some ways in mirrors the Hagler - Leonard fight, where Leonard won a lot of the initial rounds, allowing him to hang on and win the fight despite Hagler changing strategies mid way into the fight.

Like I said, you don't have to take my word for this, Leonard himself said as much.