Is it really irrational to say Pacman was on PEDs?

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  1. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He said "guy went from destroying hatton and cotto, to struggle with old shane and timmy"

    This is the dumbest reason I've ever heard for someone being on PEDs

    Mayweather went from doing well against Hatton and Marquez to struggle with old Cotto. So Mayweather is on PEDs right? I can choose any random fighter and apply the same logic.

    Styles make fights. Boxing 101.
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Styles make fights and that is the very reason that Void has been running from Pac for years now................
     
  3. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    butt hurt? do you see me saying floyd or trout have used peds? because both beat Cotto and i don't give a fck

    styles make fights but bradley/mosley are no defensive wizards are they?
    they were right there to be hit. and the floyd comparison is terrible. old well trained cotto is still better than bloated marquez and No D hatton

    cotto is not even relevant in all this. its all common sense

    lets go back, Pacquiao gets his ass kicked by Morales, gets rocked multiple times by featherweight Marquez to later take de la hoyas, hatton, cotto, clottey and margarito's punches like it was nothing

    then he proceeds to reject a 40 million random test asking for a cut off date which takes the random out of it

    he used to do ali shuffles in the 12th round after punch outputs over 1200, the guy simply didn't get tired

    and now, after all those stupid excuses , he is perfectly fine with random testing now. . .

    this guy simply got his act clean over the last few years

    i remember that funny quote " i don't know what Ariza gives me" hahaha
     
  4. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These are your reasons that make you certain Pacquiao is a PED user? :rofl:lol:

    Because he does Ali shuffles in round 12 and not get tired? Steroids do not build stamina, actual training does. :patsch Because he rejected a ridiculous low ball offer of $40 with no PPV upside? Because he is doing random VADA testing now, which is exactly opposite of what you're trying to prove?

    Get this bull**** nonsense out of here.
     
  5. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It takes a real fan to stand by him like that. you are very loyal
     
  6. BretN

    BretN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nailed it pal. Anyone who doesn't suspect Pacquiao after his bitching out of drug tests only to agree to testing years later (after he's declined) is either a fanboy in denial or just very naive
     
  7. esco367

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    You know there are PEDs that improve stamina yeah?
     
  8. D-TAB

    D-TAB ''BORO POSSY'' Full Member

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    ya know what, when i was 18 i was a legitimate LWW with no muscle on me - im 6 foot 3 and i was a rake..... now im 30, i weigh 15 stone and i havent once touched steroids. people grow

    are you aware that when mayweather and pac were at the same age, mayweather was in the amateurs and they fought at the same weight
     
  9. D-TAB

    D-TAB ''BORO POSSY'' Full Member

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    youre the same sort of fan that says these boxers are tailor made for pac and thats why the achievement isnt all that

    then in the next argument you use these as phenomonal athletes that pac couldnt have beat unless he was on steroids

    give me a break

    mayweather got beat by corrales in their first fight - now hes dominating cotto, alvarez, mosley... suspicious??

    NO...... people grow and learn from it - give it a break
     
  10. Nay_Sayer

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    The offer was 50/50 during the first round of negotiations and Pacquiao walked due to Floyd's insistence on random blood and urine testing. You can't get around this simple fact...
     
  11. HeavyPuncha

    HeavyPuncha Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Get your facts straight. Floyd's camp didn't said anything about 50/50 cause they reserve that as the next roadblock. Had Pac agreed to the random testing crap Floyd would've used this 50/50 share into 70/30 to avoid Pac. Idiot!!! :hi:
     
  12. Real-G

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    No he didn't this came from a bias un relabel source, please get a viable source or just stop posting.
     
  13. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What? Are you serious? He struggled? He didnt struggle. He won eight rounds of that fight. He was in there with a bigger man whom he gave up weight to. Since when is winning 8-4 struggling. He didnt stuggle, people are so used to seeing him runover competition, anytime he gets hit is a struggle. He didnt get knocked down, and ALL he got was a bloody nose. That was a great performance especially seeing how he went toe to toe.

    Pacquiao struggled against Marquez in Marquez 3, Struggled against Shane, and Bradley, and got KTFO in Marquez 4. All after the PED speculation came. Thats not fishy to you?
     
  14. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. He destroyed COrrales, I guess you meant Castillo and I doubt you've seen the fight. You're just another one of those people who go by word of mouth through the grape vine in order to add some false fire to your already invalid argument.

    2. "now hes dominating cotto, alvarez, mosley... suspicious??" Another stupid statement that further shows your level of boxing knowledge or lack thereof. He beats theses dudes on pure skill, and a accumulation of punishment. He slips the punches, he doesnt walk right through them. And tags them while making them miss. Thats totally different then what Pacquiao USED to do. Before all the PED speculation began to surface.
    I can't make the argument that Floyd is stronger then Canelo, Cotto, or Mosley (2010). But he doesnt beat them because hes stronger, he beats them because hes faster and has better timing.

    3. No way in HELL. Pacquiao starts at 110, gets knocked OUT TWICE! Then all goes up in weight to take on punches from bigger fighters like that. Walking through guys. No way in hell. He wasnt beating these guys off skill. he was overpowering them. And now all of a sudden. He can't even DAZE bradley, as Provodnikov did, and he gets knocked down then knocked out by Marquez? Get outta here man.