Is It Reasonable to Have JMM Ranked Ahead of Pacquiao P4P?

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  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    implied having Marquez higher than Pac is absurd because the official result says otherwise.

    As for me, I don't see how you could NOT have JMM ahead of him. JMM is an overaged and faded LW who beat a proper WW - two weight classes above the weight he's accustomed to! If that doesn't make clear who the better fighter P4P and H2H is, then I don't know.
    A fairly large userbase on here has Pac 0-3 vs. JMM which simply rules out the possibility JMM's performances being a fluke or coincidental.


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  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    :lol: official result.
    GTFO with his ****.
     
  3. xzero

    xzero Member Full Member

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    Big Marquez fan over here, i had him winning the last 2 fights against pac

    but nope p4p emmanuel is #2 in the world

    he's beaten men bigger than him in a way that Marquez can only dream of
     
  4. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JMM fought and bested PAC in three different divisions(that's PFP material). If in your optinion JMM beat Pac at least 2 times he definitely deserves to be placed above Pac on the PFP list.

    I haven't made a to 10 in years but if I had one JMM would be aboveof Pac.
     
  5. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see where you're coming from but why apply different criteria on Pac than other boxers? When Williams got sparked by Martinez he dropped out immediately despite having stacked up a fine resume beforehand. I mean, it might've been a lucky punch or whatever.
    It just wasn't considered at all. You didn't find him on a single list one day after, while Pac has accumulated 2 or arguably even 3 losses against the same boxer who jumped to weight classes to kick his ass.

    Why double standard?
     
  6. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First of all PW as p4p number 3 was ridiculous. One of the worst addition to the p4p list that I can remember. Who did he beat that was so great. He called everyone with a name out but when the tough unknown fighters called him out he would make excuses about not fighting them.
    Notable wins on PW resume are Margarito and Winky. Margarito was a very good win and Winky well he did fade but props to him anyways.

    He was never a top 10 p4p fighter.
     
  7. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    no. first of all JMM never beat him despite everyone knowing that he has a stylistic advantage. Second of all Pac has performed better than Marquez when you take into account their fights in recent years.
     
  8. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    I had JMM winning and was a clear robbery. Even with that, JMM doesn't jump Pac in rankings.
     
  9. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    Considering Pacquiao has a superior resume and has beaten JMM 3 times now, I'd say yes it's fairly unreasonable.
     
  10. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So JMM had the advantage now in all their fights?? haha.
    Pac punches harder is faster younger and JMM had the advantage.
    The only thing JMM has on Pac is that he is a genius in the ring. If he had some advantages like speed and power on Pac we would not be talking about Pac. Despite Pac having all the advantages except skill in the last fight even draggnig him up in weight he showed that P4P JMM is still better.
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Maybe not All-Time, but pound for pound is what someone has done lately. If you had Marquez beating Pacquiao, then move him up.
     
  12. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Sorry, but Pacs wins just seem like flukes to me. What's the point fighting bigger men when they weakened or don't have it anymore? Its like they been neutered or castrated and then send them to fight Pacquiao. No one only a few gave Marquez a chance. Barrera and Morales were Mannys best wins and even they were past it too. Marquez was supposed to be a part of that fakeness and because he was 38 and a lightweight did Team Pacquiao agree to shut Marquez up once and for all when Marquez only preached the truth. If anyone here can't understand how a 38 yr old lightweight did what Pacmans welterweight adversaries couldn't your part of the reason Manny is overrated.
     
  13. Bald_Toad

    Bald_Toad Ring Title Full Member

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    whens marquez gonna fight a prime guy at 140, peterson will beat him to a pulp
     
  14. Scar

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    It is absurd. Voted no.
     
  15. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When is Pac going to fight a prime guy at 140? He moved up a long time ago and still hasn't. It is hard to fight a prime guy when you're trainer admits they like to wait for some bad performances before they pick a guy. Cotto, Margarito and Shane.