Is it ridiculous that Ring ranks Nigel Benn the 91st greatest puncher ever?

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Think you might be giving them too much credit surf.

    Look at where guys like Graz are placed.I think it's just a typically ill-thought out list from the ring of recent years.
     
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  2. D.T

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    Definitely.
     
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  3. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You may be right. Personally, I thought that it was a great list overall and a great read. Most of the right names were there. There were some glaring omissions like Aurelio Herrera, Dal Hawkins and Lem Franklin, but it was still stacked pretty well.

    But like you, I did have a problem with the placements of several fighters and Rocky Graziano's placement was ridiculous to me as well.
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you said Benn only "showed power early on against stiffs", I think it's fair of me to ask how you qualify his later KO of a top fighter like McClellan. The tragic results of that fight doesn't make the question less valid.

    I like you as a poster, but I don't like how you worded that reply one bit.
     
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  5. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it's fair to bring up the McClellan fight. Even if we ignore the tragic result, it was Benn's persistence and McClellan's lack of stamina that won him the bout, not his one punch power. Benn landed plenty of hard, clean blows on McClellan without hurting him. It was only in the late rounds when McClellan was completely spent that he was able to floor him for the stoppage. This goes in line with most of Benn's fights at 168 lbs, he usually went the distance or stopped his opponents in the late rounds after a consistent battering, not the result of a one punch knockout.

    This just reminded me of when I argued about Primo Carnera's punching ability with other posters. I feel it would have been a bit tasteless to bring up the Ernie Schaaf fight as proof of his power.
     
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure. This is an opinion. But you can voice it without trying make me out as someone who tries to make light of McClellan's tragedy. His name was just so obviously missing that it seemed natural to pose the question.

    For my part, I think Benn showed some really sharp and powerful punching there. If it takes him above place 91 among punchers is another question. He surely was a more powerful puncher than some of those placed above him, but not necissarily a more accurate or effective one.
     
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  7. bck620

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    Makes zero sense. He should be 10, hell maybe even TWENTY places higher...
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Holyfield?!!
     
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  9. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    YEAH!!! You got a mother****in problem with Holyfield on this list!!?!?!?
     
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  10. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Holyfield?
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    BEnn was actually pretty small at 168 and moved up for more opportunities they originally wanted to put him in for a 154lb title when he was at 160lb from what I've read
     
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  12. Joe E

    Joe E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    List of boxing's all time greatest punchers, as deemed by Ring's writers:

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    2. Sam Langford
    3. Jimmy Wilde
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Stanley Ketchel
    7. Jack Dempsey
    8. Bob Fitzsimmons
    9. George Foreman
    10. Earnie Shavers
    11.
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    12. Ruben Olivares
    13. Wilfredo Gómez
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Sonny Liston
    16. Mike Tyson
    17. Bob Foster
    18. Thomas Hearns
    19. Khaosai Galaxy
    20. Alexis Arguello
    21. Carlos Zarate
    22. Max Baer
    23. Rocky Graziano
    24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    25. Julian Jackson
    26. Danny Lopez
    27. Gerald McClellan
    28. Roberto Duran
    29. Rodrigo Valdez
    30. Félix Trinidad
    31. Jose Cuevas
    32. Jim Jeffries
    33. Lennox Lewis
    34. Bennie Briscoe
    35. Marvin Hagler
    36. Edwin Rosario
    37. Tommy Ryan
    38. John Mugabi
    39. Joe Frazier
    40. Carlos Monzon
    41. Tony Zale
    42. Michael Spinks
    43. Joe Gans
    44. Elmer Ray
    45. George Godfrey
    46. Naseem Hamed
    47. Alfonso Zamora
    48. David Tua
    49. Cleveland Williams
    50. Julio Cesar Chavez
    51. Tiger Jack Fox
    52. Joe Walcott
    53. Gerry Cooney
    54. Al Bummy Davis
    55. Max Schmeling
    56. Florentino Fernandez
    57. Henry Armstrong
    58. Bob Satterfield
    59. Al Hostak
    60. Jesus Pimentel
    61. Eugene Hart
    62. Lew Jenkins
    63. Harry Wills
    64. Tom Sharkey
    65. Terry McGovern
    66. Jersey Joe Walcott
    67. Kostya Tszyu
    68. Leotis Martin
    69. Buddy Baer
    70. Donovan Ruddock
    71. Jose Luis Ramirez
    72. Tommy Gómez
    73. Jose Napoles
    74. Kid McCoy
    75. Antonio Esparragoza
    76. Ricardo Moreno
    77. Evander Holyfield
    78. Ike Williams
    79. Luis Firpo
    80. Ricardo Lopez
    81. Humberto Gonzalez
    82. Bobby Chacon
    83. Jock McAvoy
    84. Eduardo Lause
    85. Eder Jofre
    86. Charley Burley
    87. Mike McCallum
    88. Salvador Sánchez
    89. Roy Jones Jr.
    90. Rodolfo Gonzalez
    91. Nigel Benn
    92. Irish Bob Murphy
    93. Paul Berlenbach
    94. Battling Torres
    95. Chalky Wright
    96. George Chaney
    97. Andy Ganigan
    98. Fred Fulton
    99. Ingemar Johansson
    100. Charley White
     
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  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    **** list
     
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  14. barrack osama

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    it is a **** list tszyu and benn should at the very least be top 50, and how can fitzsimmons be at 8 but tuas down at 48?
     
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  15. Kittikasem

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    Because the evidence suggests that Fitzsimmons hit way, way harder than Tua, compared to the fighters of his time and in his weight class. Tua was a very good hw puncher in his era. Fitzsimmons was a ridiculously exceptional puncher at numerous weights in his era.
     
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