Is it time for a review of officials/officiating procedures?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Spearmint Rhino, Mar 24, 2012.


  1. First of all I would like to make it clear that it's not a knee jerk reaction to the farcical events of last night, though I must admit that this has tipped the issue even further for me.

    For quite a while now we've seen regular debatable/ridiculous decisions in both major and minor fights, with away fighters seemingly needing to win almost every round in order to have a fair chance at getting the verdict, and now we've got people ringing the bell to rescue a clearly beaten fighter to give him some recovery time.

    Added to that, there's been a Q & A posted online where Ian John-Lewis admits that promoters pay their wages, which surely shouldn't be right. I for one would much rather be paid by the board so as to not have my integrity potentially being brought into question.

    Now - I know what commentators like Buncey will say. Oh, it's not as bad as Germany/Italy/America, and that in other aspects such as healthcare/licensing we are way ahead of the rest of the world.

    But is that really good enough? Are we fairer on ''away'' fighters (be it foreign or the non-house fighter) - I'm not so sure we are.

    I'm not saying for one minute that these guys can purchase luxury villas in Bermuda because of a bull**** 58-57 decision in a low key 6x3's.... but something just doesn't seem right.

    Is it really right in the modern age that we shrug our shoulders and say ''that's boxing'' or ''these things happen'' - again, I don't think so.

    It puts people off watching, my FB page was flooded after each of Fury's questionable KO wins, and a few times I've felt shortchanged with ridiculous stoppages from the likes of Phil Edwards and Howard Foster.

    Sort it out please!!
     
  2. C J

    C J How Nice Full Member

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    1 . A working stopwatch .
     
  3. chrisfinch

    chrisfinch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think pound for pound we are just as bad, if not worse than places like Italy and Germany. We all scoff when a Brit or an overseas fighter gets jobbed out on the continent or the East coast, but it's only on places like here where it gets pulled up in this country. Look at Sky. They'll scream and holler for weeks that Martin Murray was robbed in a CLOSE fight that could have gone all three ways against Felix Sturm but only give a passing mention if it happened the opposite way round. Unless it's Ian Darke, but we hardly hear him these days since he left Sky.

    I'm not suggesting there's a 'fix' or anything-although incidents like last night makes the average viewer question whether what they are seeing is as pre-planned as WWE at times.

    The problem is that most of the time it is mutually beneficial for TV, the promoters and the board for the home fighter to win so nobody is ever really likely to step on each others toes in calling out on bad decisions. And my main criticism of the Board-who as you mention have been fantastic in terms of healthcare and safety is that they are far too lenient on matters like this. They obviously don't want to discourage people from becoming referees and judges, and if they start axing people left right and centre-which I honestly think they should (or at least demote some)-there are a good 4 or 5 senior officials in Britain who always seem to be guilty of shocking jobs, then it will discourage others from signing up to do the job.

    I think the majority of us on here know the score with officiating, despite what Bunce, Adam Smith and Robert Smith always say and maybe I'm being too harsh, but I certainly think a review of officiating procedures is necessary.
     
  4. Bill C84

    Bill C84 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I don't know what the answer is? you could start by putting a bullet between Fwanks eyes I suppose?
    It needs a major investigation, from top to bottom, prison sentence's handed out to the people responsible, **** it Id bring back the death penalty, bull**** matchmaking, bull**** ref's, bull**** judges, bull**** promoters, the sport I love is going down the shitter and there's **** all I can do about it.
     
  5. JFT96

    JFT96 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And the award for the most over-the-top post of the year goes to....
     
  6. Bill C84

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    It was slightly over the top I admit. :lol:
     
  7. It is ridiculous though.

    I mean, stopping a clearly ****ed fighter can't be as hard a decision to make as (say) seeing through about ten players to see if a ball crossed the goal line, surely?

    Or scoring every round to Colin Lynes against Lee Purdy, yet one judge had it level :-(

    It's just sheer incompetence, 99% of people would be sacked if they made bad mistakes on a weekly basis, yet the cosy little club remains intact forever more.
     
  8. roe

    roe Guest

    I'd like to believe it was incompetence, Luke.
     
  9. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'd like to think that, but he honest. If McPhilbin had been dropped in the same way there's no way the round would have ended early and the wef probably would have stopped the fight.
     
  10. GazOC

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    From Boxrec and worth taking into consideration

    "Let’s quash something immediately. Any suggestion that Fallon was deliberately trying to lend Maccarinelli a helping hand can be dismissed as the incompetent official, by my watch, only allowed a break of approximately 35 seconds instead of the usual minute’s respite before sounding the bell to begin round two. "

    Now obviously someone hell bent on the conspiracy angle will just say he was covering his tracks by making 2 **** ups, but....
     
  11. roe

    roe Guest

    That's even more dodgy :lol:
     
  12. GazOC

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    Well yep, once you get into that way of looking at things ANY evidence tends to support your view....;-)

    Worth noting that BoxRec are no fans of Warrun and BoxNation at the moment, it would have been easy for them to stick the boot in over this..

    I think, unless you have some proof, you have to go with human error in situations like these. Of course that doesn't make it acceptable....
     
  13. I think it's incompetence in this instance, though I don't blame anyone for screaming ''corruption'', I mean, it's inevitable where an Allegedly fighter is concerned, I guess we've all seen too many iffy calls go their way.

    Either way, whoever the timekeeper was needs to be sacked or suspended for starters.
     
  14. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    I'd like it made compulsory for a judge to make notes at the end of each round, a simple line or two which explains why they scored the round to whoever.

    Then have these notes made readily available to the fans.
     
  15. GazOC

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    People jump on the bandwagon though BB. Like that "British stoppages" phase that ESB went though a while back where a few quick stoppages, that Brit refs have always being known for, meant there were people complaining virtually every fight about corruption.

    The one that WAS the real shocker, Bellew-McKenzie I, got less of a mention than the (perfectly reasonable IMHO) Fury one purely because it happened before people were looking out for the "problem".