Is it time to create a Super Heavyweight Division?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Hatesrats, Jul 13, 2008.


Page 4 of 5
  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

    21,873
    3
    Feb 27, 2008
    I'd move to get rid of the jr. and super divisions and create one division as a whole.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Jul 13, 2008
    fitzgeraldz, Jul 13, 2008
    #46
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

    86,106
    4,096
    Jul 19, 2004
    The reason some want to chance the weight is because big Eastern Euro fighters are winning, if the shoe were on the other foot, they would not complain.
     
    Farmboxer, Jul 13, 2008
    Farmboxer, Jul 13, 2008
    #47
  3. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

    60,376
    241
    Sep 28, 2007
    :bump
     
    Hatesrats, Jul 13, 2008
    Hatesrats, Jul 13, 2008
    #48
  4. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,391
    3
    Nov 3, 2007
    **** no. There is precious little talent in the HW division as it is.
     
    LiamE, Jul 14, 2008
    LiamE, Jul 14, 2008
    #49
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,124
    48,355
    Mar 21, 2007
    35lb weight advantages have been overcome and will be again.

    You haven't answered any of my questions.

    What do you think putting (traditionally) all the very worst fighters into a new flagship division might do for boxing?

    What do you think 4 new heavyweight champions would do for boxing?

    What do you think forcing the superstars of the future out of the flagship division would do for boxing?
     
    McGrain, Jul 14, 2008
    McGrain, Jul 14, 2008
    #50
  6. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

    60,376
    241
    Sep 28, 2007
    IMO, It would weed out the out of shape smaller fighter's and force them to get in better shape, Also we would have less difference in both Ht & weight.

    It would ruin the tradition of the Heavyweight division.
    (I never said it wouldn't)
    But sometimes tradition has to be re-written.

    Who know's for sure... I do know one thing tho.
    The heavyweight division will have better conditioned atheletes
    and less Tye Fields.

    This ain't real McGrain...
    just a lil' discussion Thread I made that's all.
    And it's not to X out the large Euro's either.
    It's to Put the big's vs. the big's.
     
    Hatesrats, Jul 14, 2008
    Hatesrats, Jul 14, 2008
    #51
  7. Eubank

    Eubank Active Member Full Member

    1,264
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    Heavyweight

    Cruiserweight 210lbs 15st

    Light Heavyweight 182lbs 13st

    Middleweight 168lbs 12st

    Welterweight 154lbs 11st

    Lightweight 140lbs 10st

    Featherweight 126lbs 9st

    Flyweight 112lbs 8st
     
    Eubank, Jul 14, 2008
    Eubank, Jul 14, 2008
    #52
  8. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,047
    0
    Jun 23, 2008
    If you want less divisions, then this is one of the best suggestions I have seen.

    I would make the cruiserweight 200 or 205lbs, but the rest looks good.
     
    TheH1tMan, Jul 14, 2008
    TheH1tMan, Jul 14, 2008
    #53
  9. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

    8,161
    3
    Feb 4, 2006
    Cruiser should be heavyweight. And it should be extended from 190 to 220lbs. 30 lbs sway.

    Heavyweight would essentially be super heavyweight and that'd be 220lbs+

    That's the way it ought to be.
     
    Ambition_Def, Jul 14, 2008
    Ambition_Def, Jul 14, 2008
    #54
  10. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,285
    40
    Nov 19, 2004
    No.

    All the superheavies of note over the years have lost to shorter and (usually) lighter men.

    Extra-large fighters have their own problems to contend with in terms of hand co-ordination, stamina, movement and so on. The bigger = better theory doesn't hold up across the board, just in certain areas.
     
    DamonD, Jul 14, 2008
    DamonD, Jul 14, 2008
    #55
  11. Eubank

    Eubank Active Member Full Member

    1,264
    1
    Mar 22, 2008
    Do you see any fighter below 210 having a real chance at Heavy? The smaller Cruiserweights could drop down to Light Heavy at the new limit.
     
    Eubank, Jul 14, 2008
    Eubank, Jul 14, 2008
    #56
  12. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

    60,376
    241
    Sep 28, 2007
    :hey That's a good idea bro.
     
    Hatesrats, Jul 14, 2008
    Hatesrats, Jul 14, 2008
    #57
  13. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

    5,611
    4,429
    Feb 18, 2005
    ;) Make an 'ultra-heavyweight' division and let Valeuv, Butterbean and Toney fight it out.
     
    kostya by ko, Jul 14, 2008
    kostya by ko, Jul 14, 2008
    #58
  14. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,047
    0
    Jun 23, 2008
    This is what the people suggesting this want:
    That the Americans that are not able to compete can have a division for themselves where they don't have to compete with the big Euros. The hope is that this would be the revival of the great Afro-American HW tradition.

    This is what would actually happen:
    Valuev would probably be champion at SHW if Wlad etc. chose to fight at HW. IF Wlad etc. fought at SHW they would be champs most likely. Now the large casual audience that make up the crowd that really pays for the big fights would be far more captivated by the biggest and best than by some "second-biggest" division. The cruiser and lhw divisions have never really been able to consistently compete with hw for the large audiences. The same would happen here. SHW would quickly become the division with natural aura of the 'beast division'.
     
    TheH1tMan, Jul 14, 2008
    TheH1tMan, Jul 14, 2008
    #59
  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

    8,161
    3
    Feb 4, 2006
    And every other fat slob who is unwilling to train / lose weight.

    The heavyweight division would be so live if we included the cruisers and got rid of the obese giants.
     
    Ambition_Def, Jul 14, 2008
    Ambition_Def, Jul 14, 2008
    #60
Page 4 of 5