Is it time to finally admit that Canelo is one of the best Mexican fighters of all time?

Drug cheat + robberies in every fight that goes 12

 

So you don't think he picked the weakest Light heavy champion to take on? And you really think SK wasn't shot?

 

Canelo make the list. Because he rich has the judges and drug screening on his side which is something past mexican greats didn't have.

 

Toney is a top 3 or 4 ATG at 168 he would give anyone at 168 hell with the exception of RJJ who schooled him there. With that said I think you're underrating Canelo's ring IQ he makes some great adjustments in fights. He adjusted well against Plant, he took his jab away.

 

Agree about the chin Canelo has great whiskers

 

Still a champ man. All I’m saying is, you make it sound so easy, so why don’t others just do it all the time?

Why don’t we see bud or Spence picking on castano? Or charlo take on Saunders or plant before the canelo fights?

 

See when I see Toney and when he was at his best you can see what he's doing during the fight. The traps. The counters.
With Canelo is also is a good fighter I don't see that.
That doesn't mean I think Canelo isn't good but I don't see that Toney type boxing IQ.

 

Alvarez was never Lineal Champ at 154 because he fought Lara above the limit. He was Lineal Champ at 160 and now is at 168, though.

My only issue is whether belts make it harder to become a True Champions. Sure, you may have to collect them by fighting each titleholder individually, but because of the proliferation of weight divisions classes are overall thinner and you don't have to work nearly as hard to collect a belt. Plant, for instance, beat one back-end top-10 guy in Uzcategui, a no-hoper in Lee, a fringe contender for a European title, and a former contender at 168 in Truax, and then he waltzes into a Linear Championship match. Because of Warren's pull with the WBO, Saunders gets a hand-me-out title against someone few will remember. Back in the day you had to beat real contenders and many times a few of them before getting a shot. I just think the quality is down, but politics can make unification very difficult. Not so much if you are Canelo, though.

 

Because CANELO has MONEY. Charlo stays at his weight class because he's champion. Spence as well.
They don't have anywhere near the drawing power of a Canelo and without those two having titles they don't get paid.
You want me to be impressed because Canelo picked up a strap from a boxer who was beyond shot and was the weakest of the title holders is just not going to happen. Canelo would never would have thought to step into the ring with a prime SK and you know that.
And the stuff CANELO is on 7 pounds is not anything.

 

He beat Cotto for the lineal title at 154

 

Canelo has titles too… I don’t see why you can’t make the same argument. Yes canelo is the biggest draw and fighting him means you will get way more money. But bud practically has to beg guys to fight him. Why doesn’t he just come up? Why doesn’t he fight other guys in other divisions like canelo did? Cuz I’m sure some bigger guys will be willing. Charlo has his twin so I get why.

But y’all can’t have it both ways. You diminish his championships then when he gets fights other guys don’t get, it’s cuz oh he’s canelo and has money. But then says to get money you have to have championships. Bottomline is, he is a champion who draws other champions to fight him. You can’t knock him for picking on another champion that other champions didn’t even try to fight. Or other champions don’t even try to pull the **** canelo does.

 

I understand your point. And i have to agree. There are so many belts and so many worthless champs. Yet, why are there only 6 undisputed champs in the 4 belt era? Although i can argue against it with the fact that 4 of them have come up in the past 4 years. So maybe even that is easier now. But the fact still remains. We rarely get undisputed championship fights, prolly cuz of politics and mostly cuz of money. But if more chips mean more money, then why dont guys gun for it more often?

 

Canelo is the face of boxing. Bud is not. Canelo sells alot more tickets then almost any fighter.
So when Canelo wants something it will be made to happen because of the money generated by Canelo.
He is perhaps the most powerful drawing power in all of boxing.
It is diminished when you take on the weakest of the 3_Champions. That just a fact. At that time SK WAS NOT the best champion of that division. That isn't my opinion or anyone else's is fact.
You don't have to be a champion to have drawing power.
When Ward fought Gatti neither one was champion but the first fight was so good that there was a DEMAND for them to fight again.
As long as Canelo sells tickets it doesn't matter who he fights so long as it makes revenue for all involved.

 

Bud might find that he is in his perfect weight class and he has no interest to move up.

 

Those are facts that i definitely agree with. But the question remains, why dont champions from lower weight divisions just randomly go up weight and take on the weakest champion? For example usyk (this might not be the best scenario since the HW division is a totally different animal), why didnt he just jump in and fight

But thats not a knock on canelo for thinking he isnt in the perfect weight class so he picked on a champion who fights at a heavier weight