Is it too early to compare Lomachenko to all time greats?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Apr 13, 2019.


Page 6 of 8
  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,108
    Jun 2, 2006
    Why don't you get someone to explain posts to you Im getting tired of having to interpret for you.
     
    mcvey, Apr 16, 2019
    mcvey, Apr 16, 2019
    #76
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,436
    2,839
    Feb 18, 2012
    I don't need them explaining thanks but if Lomachenko moved up to beat Crawford that would trump any Pacman win by a country mile! Manny defeating Oscar wasn't all that great when you look at the details of the bout.
     
    Wass1985, Apr 16, 2019
    Wass1985, Apr 16, 2019
    #77
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,108
    Jun 2, 2006
    It would, but I've got £50 that's says he doesn't do it.Want to play?
     
    mcvey, Apr 16, 2019
    mcvey, Apr 16, 2019
    #78
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,436
    2,839
    Feb 18, 2012
    I don't think he will go that high but if he does I'll have that bet with you and I'll go with Loma......

    Is he allowed to drink Manny's shakes?
     
    Wass1985, Apr 16, 2019
    Wass1985, Apr 16, 2019
    #79
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    52,839
    44,550
    Apr 27, 2005
    This content is protected
     
    JohnThomas1, Oct 17, 2020
    JohnThomas1, Oct 17, 2020
    #80
    PhillyPhan69, gogeta, roughdiamond and 5 others like this.
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,585
    27,248
    Feb 15, 2006
    It never hurts to be cautious, but we can see which way the wind is blowing!
     
    janitor, Oct 18, 2020
    janitor, Oct 18, 2020
    #81
    George Crowcroft and roughdiamond like this.
  7. Alexandrow Vids

    Alexandrow Vids Active Member Full Member

    505
    241
    Oct 28, 2014
    Lomachenko will go Down as a Great Fighter but never as a All Time Great.

    His Pro career was too short and he never beat THAT Great Fighter who really stood out.

    Show me one Name in his career who has the potential to be a ATG?
    Answer is nobody except for Lopez in 15+ years maybe.
     
    Alexandrow Vids, Oct 18, 2020
    Alexandrow Vids, Oct 18, 2020
    #82
    roughdiamond likes this.
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    28,144
    13,100
    Jan 4, 2008
    A lot of course depends on if he can gain revenge on Lopez and what Lopez goes on to do.
     
    Bokaj, Oct 18, 2020
    Bokaj, Oct 18, 2020
    #83
  9. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,373
    309
    Jan 8, 2009
    Maravilla, Cotto, GGG, Chocolatito and Donaire are all ranked higher than him
     
    asero, Oct 18, 2020
    asero, Oct 18, 2020
    #84
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,495
    2,150
    Oct 22, 2006
    It is always much harder to rate current fighters. Hindsight makes things a little easier.

    I put him at #90 in my top 100 of the Queensberry rules era last year, it will be interesting if he can turn this round. I admit I am a sucker for a good redemption story.
     
    TBooze, Oct 18, 2020
    TBooze, Oct 18, 2020
    #85
    PhillyPhan69 and George Crowcroft like this.
  11. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,018
    416
    Sep 25, 2005
    A number of fighters in history had very good runs, Kid lavenge comes to mind, but their careers don't come out to all time greats. 10-2 isn't getting you very far.
     
    timmers612, Oct 18, 2020
    timmers612, Oct 18, 2020
    #86
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,002
    48,092
    Mar 21, 2007
    If he retires, here's his meaingful scalps with ranking by TBRB:

    Roman Martinez (6)
    Jason Sosa (7)
    Gil Rigondeaux (Ch. - at 122lbs, fights Loma at 130lbs)
    Jorge Linares (2)
    Jose Pedraza (3)
    Anthony Crolla (2)
    Luke Campbell (7)

    Note that Russel wasn't ranked but was very good and ranked shortly thereafter.

    So it's not too bad, and if you chuck in Walters and Russel, which is reasonable, it's a fine number, really good. Biggest risks appear to be Linars, Pedraza, Salido and Lopez so that's 2-2 nut not abnormal. No number ones or champions (in their own divisions thought) which is troubling - just strapholders. I'd say impressive but certainly not overwhelming.
     
    McGrain, Oct 18, 2020
    McGrain, Oct 18, 2020
    #87
    Bokaj and roughdiamond like this.
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,212
    19,506
    Jul 25, 2015
    Should try and get Berchelt.
     
    roughdiamond, Oct 18, 2020
    roughdiamond, Oct 18, 2020
    #88
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,002
    48,092
    Mar 21, 2007
    Not sure that would be a great idea...
     
    McGrain, Oct 18, 2020
    McGrain, Oct 18, 2020
    #89
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,212
    19,506
    Jul 25, 2015
    It is a fight that should have happened at 130 but didn't. There is still good time for this bout to happen at 130 without it being over-aged.
     
    roughdiamond, Oct 18, 2020
    roughdiamond, Oct 18, 2020
    #90
Page 6 of 8