Is Jack Dempsey the most overrated fighter of all time

Wilt said 20,000 woman & it was nothing like that.

Almost all "notice", & it is highly relevant to understand cultures & improve deeply racist biases by individuals, governments & folks in power.
Being blind to these issues is not useful to fixing things.

Dempsey was a man of his time re: racism.
But he may have treated individual blacks well.
And he did follow the guidance of management re:who to fight when.

 

So you think if Ricard would have chosen Wills instead of Firpo Dempsey would have declined
the 6 hundred thousand payday ?

 

Dempsey and Kearns didn't choose to fight Gibbons over Wills..The townspeople of Shelby offered a 100 grand to fight whoever they chose..And Gibbons was willing to do it for free..
They didn't choose Carpentier over Wills ..Rickard offered 300 grand to fight Carpentier they said yes...You offer Kearns a few 100 grand he will have Dempsey fight anyone..
Regardless of what Muldoon might say in public his racism was bone deep and everything he did..Was done intentionally to derail it..The reason he demanded a NY fight could only take place with a cap on ticket prices..Was to ensure it would never take place ..All Kearns cared about was money..The one time
someone made a attempt to make it happen Dempsey signed on the dotted line..

 

I was glad to post it. Great quote and so very true. And yes, I do concur that sometimes revisionism can be used for marketing purposes as well.

 

And Mc, Dempsey dropped big George Godfrey several times in their sparring sessions. He also manhandled Big Bill Tate who was his sparring partner...Dempsey absolutely FEASTED on much larger men, as he combined MW speed and heavyweight power, lest we forget...

 

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referee: Billy 'Kid' McPartland
Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).
Opinions as to the winner were divided. For instance, one report said that "Dempsey failed to live up to the reputation that he earned in Salt Lake city, and was an easy mark for the local boxer." But another said "Neither boxer was ever in danger, but at the finish Johnson was very tired from the heavy punishment he received in the mid-section and around the head." The weights mentioned varied from one newpaper to another, but the ones listed look most probable Doesn't seem to be the beatdown some claim?

 

Also one thing I feel that Dempsey excelled at perhaps more then anyone else
was the Slug Out..When both fighters mostly ignore defense but just try to knock each others brains out..The point in a boxing match where it becomes a fight..
The fight is where he was at his most dangerous ..

 

Why should they have?

 

B.S.---Dempsey in a regular fight would have been a prohibitive favorite to ko the ponderous George Godfrey...He had floored big George in several sparring sessions....You in your blind hatred for Jack Dempsey know squat about him and his times...Do YOU SIR know more about his ERA than the thousands of boxing writers, famous fighters of his times, trainers who saw him fight ringside, and watched him sparring with his Sparring partners time and again ???... In your heart of hearts you KNOW the answer, but
your agenda knows no limits...Have a good day, and by the way
Jack Dempsey at his rip roaring best was a helluva PURE fist fighter...:hi:

 

At what point did he nearly lose..he made it back in the ring inside of ten..
The ropes were lose he probably wouldn't have went out..Some fighters are at a disadvantage slugging it out
If its not their strength they don't want to get caught in a slugging match..Some fighters need to try to get their opponent in a slugging match..Firpo initially told Ricard he wasn't ready for Dempsey and wanted to wait a year to fight anyone for the title..But Ricard told him he may not get a lot of money next year if he waits . But he will this year if he fights..
The promoters of that era didn't care if someone was entitled to a title shot.
They only care if the gate will draw..Ricard before he promoted the Jeffries Johnson fight had no problem promoting mixed matches..He would play-up the racial differences just to sell more seats..
But after the 1910 race riots the heat he got for it. He swore he would never
promote a fight between a white man and a black man again..Far as i know he didn't..Unfortunately no one with the money who could have made a Will Dempsey fight happen was interested in making it happen..
Johnson would never got a title shot if Burns stayed in America cause no on would promote it..Only Johnson had the brains to realize he needed to take matters in his own hands ,if he wanted a title shot..To follow Burns to other countries..hounding him..
None of the other Black fighters of his day had Johnsons ability as a self=made man to figure this out..Then they wanted Johnson after he had the brains and the drive accomplish the impossible task of a black man fighting for the championship..To give them a title shot
If Wills like Langford,Jeanette,McVey before him. Would have had Johnson's
ability as a self made man and the brains to make it happen .Instead of waiting
for a someone to make it happen for him..
He'd had a better chance of getting a title shot .But he just waited around expecting someone to make a Dempsey Wills fight happen. Instead of creating the conditions that people would fight over .Just to be the one to make a Dempsey Wills fight happen.
Where were the black promoters back then
why didn't they promote it?
(You should look into that and ask their descendants
why they never got a Wills Dempsey fight going )

To answer your statement that Dempsey almost lost to Firpo ..Dempsey took some hard shots his only question after the first round was "What round is this"
By the second round Jack was firmly in control..