Is Jake "Raging Bull" LaMotta a top 100 ATG?

Yes. I have him 56 in my list.

 

Last time I made a deep list he was somewhere around 50-60.

Weight considered, his win over SRR is one of the best in the sports' history.

 

the 3 main reasons people know lamotta

1. his win over the best fighter ever SRR

2. his incredible chin... honestly he only ever went down when he threw a fight

3. the movie "the raging bull".

 

Obvs Sugar Ray. Mercal Cerden,Tibero Mirti, Laurent Dauthillie and Jackie Wilson.

 

I would say he's the only guy I can think of who beat 2 fellow top 10 ATG middleweights in Robinson and Marcel Cerden.

 

:good

 

I think a top 100 p4p is a bit of a futile exercise, so I can't answer the original question.

With Lamotta though, it's very difficult to rank him objectively.

He arguably the only man to beat a prime SRR (depending on whether you think Turpin was past prime), which immediately sets him apart from the vast majority of fighters. On the other hand, he lost the other 5 against a significantly lighter opponent. Without footage of the fights, it's difficult to know whether he deserved the nod in any of the 4 fights that went to a decision.

Cerdan is obviously a landmark win, but how much of a part did the injury play in this? What would have happened in the rematch?

Unlike say Graziano, LaMotta fought all comers regardless of weight or colour. However, he has a relatively large percentage of losses for a HOF fighter for this reason.

If there was more footage of a prime LaMotta, it may be easier to rank him accurately.

 

Him handing SRR his first loss while Robinson was still in his prime solely puts him into a top 100 of all time. That win alone trumps the majority of people's boxing resume's.

 

^^Randys win against Robinson at Middleweight was an excellent victory, but Ray was past his prime at that point. It sucks that there's very few videos/film footage of a prime RObinson at WW. I was able to see a decent amount of footage of him in the golden gloves in NYC back in the late 30's, but sadly there's not enough footage of him during his supreme reign at WW where no titlist wanted to face him at all. Probably the most avoided fighter of all time in any division when SRR was fighting at the Welterweight division.

Great win for Turpin though, but I thought Robinsons victory in their rematch in NY was even more impressive. Still, Robinson was past his prime in both bouts against Randy.