Is James Toney an ATG?

doesn't talk enough smack... not slick enough.

seriously, Toney goes above Cotto cause you have to recognize his amazing skills. But that does not get ATG status.

 

I've no idea why people are trying to drag Hopkins and Oscar down to the level of Toney, nitpicking each of their wins whilst with a strait face claiming how great Toney's win over a shot Holyfield was then nitpicking at their losses while ignoring the numerous gifts and life and death struggles Toney was involved with from Williams to Tiberi to Thadzi.

 

I had Oscar losing to Pea, Quartey, Mosley I.

The Vargas win wasn't that special. Fernando was on the downside of his career.

Mayorga at 154 isn't a win you should mention. Neither is beating Arturo Gatti at welter

Rivera is a worse win than Prince Charles Williams.

Camacho?? Come on, man.

Better than who is when.

 

Omg yes! High-quality wins in 5 different weight classes, more knockout wins than most boxing "stars" have total fights nowadays, *ridiculous* skill level, granite chin, never knocked out. Carried his power enough through weight classes to give a guy like Jirov trouble and to absolutely wreck Holyfield. The only guy you'd ever see who could just stand in one place all night and totally destroy his opponents. Could destroy a buffet as well. :yep
But yeah, absolutely an ATG.

 

:deal

 

Anybody with eyes could see Tito lost to DLH and the second Mosley fight,DLH is one of the most underrated fighters ever.

 

To be fair, Oscar has his medical records sealed and rumors were that he juiced as well. But yeah, I totally get you. If you wanna penalize Toney I have no issue with that whatsoever.

 

Face it Oscar lost almost all of his big fights.

 

Of course he's an ATG!

 

The win over nunn is better than any win Hopkins had at middleweight.. Who did hopkins beat at middle? Hist stint there is nothing but filler, I dont care about a bunch of mediocre safe opponents

 

Mosley I, Mosley II, Vargas, Trinidad, Hopkins, Whitaker, Quartey

- I don't include Floyd or Pac as he was years removed from his prime and Prime Oscar beats Prime Floyd..

- It's hard to even consider Hopkins as Hopkins was the much bigger man and Oscar looked dwarfed. But we'll include it anyway.

5-2

 

He lost at least five of those fights in my eyes.

Mosley I

Hopkins

Floyd

Whitaker

Quartey

 

lol it has to be proven man. I can't even call Pacquiao guilty and that's saying something.

 

Chavez was also a 'big fight' the whole 'lost all his big fights' is a boxing myth, implanted into the mind of average fans then repeated so much they begin to believe it.

 

You're completely right.