Is James Toney an ATG?

Tony performed better against Peter than your hero did. . Sure , he lost the rematch fairly wide , but he wasn't young , fit or prime.
He didn't have a huge size advantage either , nor did he have the ability to use it to deplete the stamina of Peters which wasn't very good to begin with.

 

Yes, unless you have an extremely high expectation of what makes an ATG (which some posters rightfully have due to the forum craziness).

 

As predictable a post as it is lame brained.

When was Toney the best at anything for ten years besides being the King of Wendy's.

 

Toney was better against Peters than the guy who ruled over Wendy's employees for 10 years.

Your guy with all his size , reach , prime and youth did WORSE than an old fat tub of lard who eat himself out of Middle Weight

There's no debate on that.. Its Factual

 

I believe so

 

HOF.

 

Toney lost twice to Peter, how is that better than winning twice?

That is actually factual.

 

I don't care. Someone made the inaccurate claim he beat the #1 HW. I pointed out that he did not.

Yes. I don't give special credit to Toney simply for being a former MW. He chose to eat his way up a weight divisions whenever his title chances looked bleak.

 

He had the talent and skill and therefore showed flashes of greatness. Against Nunn, the 1st McCallum fight were very good performances. Toney never had any period of dominance or consistency. even prime.
Draw with Reggie Johnson, getting outhustled by Dave Tiberi. Moving up he don't do much at '68. Barkley was nearly blind at the time James got him. Certainly not the fighter he had been. He got dominated by Roy Jones at 168lbs.
Never wanted a rematch and went off the rails from there. James had a period where he was very lackluster.
I don't put too much stock into his heavyweight career. He just didn't want to put the work in. Micky Walker had a good heavyweight run but it doesn't really change his standing as a great fighter.
Looking at Bernard Hopkins and how long he sustained his discipline, Toney was more talented and couldn't have given us more in the 68-75 classes.
Just my view. He had a skillset that reminded us of some old school fighters. When he was on he could tease us but All Time Great is lofty terrortory

 

Can you not put anything in perspective???
Toney fought a guy who weighed 100 pounds more than the was when he fought at middlweight!! At the age close to 40 with close to 90 fights!!

 

Shouldn't All Time Great come with high standards?

 

Of course I can but we are talking reality and going 0-2 is not better than going 2-0.

Also Toney was the same weight at college that he was when he was a heavyweight.

Toney is a great HOF fighter with a complex resume, I’m not tagging on him nor trying to belittle his accomplishments.

 

I seem to remember Wlad knocking Sam TFO...

 

Yeah , many years later when Sam was shot to bits. . The husk of Peter in that rematch was too slow and stationary to beat Toney. The James Toney who peiced up and stopped Holyfield would have stopped that version of Peter too.
And he wouldn't have needed a single bear hug or illegal tactic to do it. .

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

Lets face the factoids , Toney in that first fight performed better against Peters than Klitschko. Klitschko cheated his way to victory using his size.. Not just my opinion. Harrold Ledderman during the telecast called for Klitschko to be disqualified.

 

He wasn’t just an opportunist when he moved up and fought prime versions of Roy Jones and Vassily Jirov.

You are implying that he took the easy route.