Is Jim Jeffries criminally underrated today?

No.your point was that Jeffries was rated number one by Fleischer and that is what you posted along with the mistake in spelling Fleischer's name . Fleischer never altered his placings he started them in the 1953 Ring Record Book and they were published in there through to 1972 the year he died.
Below is what you posted
"Of course he is; Nate Fleischer (founder of the Ring Magazine) rated him as the best heavyweight ever"
I knew you wouldnt be able to admit you were wrong ,you never have,and never will.

 

I don't think he drew the color line to avoid Johnson. He just had some weird racist conviction against giving black fighters a shot at the heavyweight title, regardless of the merits of the challenger.

 

Nah, Johnson was the stand out challenger by far and it was said at the time by a champion (forgeting which):

'When the color line is drawn, it's to avoid a black fighter'

Jeffries had to retire because the ducking was becoming embarassing.

 

He was happy to not retire to fight Marvin Hart, for the right money, and drew the color line before Johnson was anyone, so that's clearly false.

 

You are too kind I'm no expert on any fighter or era, but thank you.
Jeffries announced his retirement on May15th1905 .
Up to then Johnson's notable wins would include.
Klondike ko14
Kennedy ko4
Childs ko12
Gardner w20
Russell w dsq5
Martin w 20
McVey w 20
Ferguson w10
Butler w ko3
Ferguson w 6
McVey w20
Ferguson w 20
Black Bill w 6
McVey w ko20
Childs w 6
Martin w ko2
Jeffords w ko4
Black Bill wko4
Jeannette w 3
Johnson had also drawn with
Klondike
Griffin
Everett
Stift
Johnson had lost to
Klondike in May 1899
Choynski in Feb 1901
Griffin in Nov1901
And controversially to Hart in Mar1905.
So yes, he was a fighter of note, and the Colored Champion.

 

The quote came from John L Sullivan.

 

Jeffries many ,many times said he would not take a chance on defending his title against a coloured man and losing his crown.The champions before him had adhered to this colour bar but only Sullivan before him had been as blatantly open about it.Jeffries was quoted in the press dozens of times stating he would not risk his title against a black man
After Johnson ko'd the Coloured Champion Denver Ed Martin inside 5 minutes, Johnson's then manager stated." I believe this big black chap of mine has shown championship timber I think public opinion will force this fight on Jeff.
You remember how it used to be with John L don't you? Everytime he appeared on the stage somebody in the gallery would be sure to yell,"Why don't you fight Peter Jackson?"I feel he has earned it earned it twice over you understand me? I see that the Eastern sporting papers are all for it strong.The Munroe business left a bad taste."Los Angeles Examiner Oct 20 1904.
Johnson floored Martin multiple times and ko'd him in the 2nd rd ,Martin had to be carried to his corner and was unconscious for 10 minutes.
Johnson was briefly detained by the Police until it was sure Martin would fully recover.

Following this performance promoter Tom McCarey announced an offer to Jeffries of $15,000 to defend against Johnson.
The Times response to Johnson's win was as follows.
"No longer can Champion Jeffries urge lack of class in answer to Johnson's insistent demands for a chance at the title,Johnson's performance showed just how mighty he was."
Jeffries was appearing as Davy Crockett in San Francisco between shows he was interviewed about the chances of defending against Johnson,this was his response.
"I do not care if Johnson licks the whole Japanese army,I have repeatedly declared that as long as I aminthe fighting business I will never make a match with a black man.The negroes may come and the negroes may go,and some of the negroes may be excellent fighters.Just tell the publc that James J Jeffries has made up his mind that he will never put on boxing gloves to give battle to an Ethiopian".
"I am against boxing black men first , last,and all the time"Jeffries Los Angeles Examiner Oct21st1904.


"Until Jeffries abandoned his untenable position on the color line and sets himself right with the world that loves fair play,Johnson's admirers will be just as incessant in their nagging as the black fellow himself has been." The Times Oct 21st1904 .

 

Johnson was clearly number 1 contender by 1903 and beat up Jeffries brother in front of him and told him he'd do the same to Jim. He was chasing Jeffries around the country at any public appearance to push for a fight.

 

Pollack does not call the Hart loss a robbery. Johnson lost. Get over it. And there were ,any draws vs mediocre types.

The board went over Johnson's top five wins. The frequent Ko Ed Martin took the top spot. While that is a good win, its nothing great.

 

Here's what I said.

"If you look at the photos is not hard to see. Jeffries had a 50 inch expanded chest and thighs reported to over 30". Let's say 25" for the legs, that's bigger than most modern champions. He was super strong. " -Mendoza


Thanks for confirming that Jefriies had a bigger chest than any heavyweight champion. Your are calling BS on the thighs, and want a link. Tell me what Jeffries taste of the tap for thighs read vs Corbett, Its over 30" as I said, and that would be #1 on the list, same as the chest. He also had a 13" fist, which is one of the larger ones.

You should know by know I'm pretty well researched ( And getting better finding news paper articles ). By calling me out, you not going to look good. Now be honest say I showed you what you wish before going to plan B and ripping the source.

[url]https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IF1FAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FbwMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6640,4083455&dq=jeffries+corbett&hl=en[/url]

 

THis article talks about his strength in comparison to other champions.

" I have seen every champion of the world, except Tom Hyer, since the time of John C. Heenan, the "Benlcla Boy," In the '50's. None of them was physically & match for James J. Jeffries.

T. HOLLINGSWORTH ANDREWS, M.D., Police Surgeon of Philadelphia, formerly demonstrator of anatomy at Jefferson Medical College and medical director of the G. A. R. "

[url]https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=LAH18990615.2.54&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1[/url]

 

He stated that he would not take a chance on losing the title to a black man thats pretty definite.Billy Delaney his trainer, stated he was always leery of Johnson and did not want to fight him.

 

He stated that he would not take a chance on losing the title to a black man thats pretty definite.Billy Delaney his trainer,

You're not researched at all! Do you honestly believe Jeffries had a bigger expanded chest than Willard or bigger thighs than Tua? That piece of clipping has Jeffries chest at 48"and Corbett's at 42" You will find if you look at other tale of the tapes of the two men that that is referring to expanded chests! Or do you honestly think Corbett's normal chest was 42" ?It wasnt it ,was 38" 42"was the expanded measurement!
If Corbetts unexpanded chest was 42"it would make it
2 inches bigger than Walcott's
The same size as
Fraziers
Louis'
And 3 inches bigger than Marciano's .
It would also mean that Jeffries normal chest was bigger than
Liston's by 4 1/2 in
Louis' by 6 1/2in
Frazier by 6 1/2in
Ali's by 5 1/2in
Sullivan's by 5 1/2 in
Baer's by 4 1/2in
Dempsey's by6 1.2in
Marciano's by 9 1/2in
Willard's by 2 1/2in
Carnera's by 1/2in


Do yourself a favour drop this absurd claim! Read this!
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The L. A .Times headlined with "Fight Decision A ***** One"
George Siler the premier referee said in the Police Gazette.
"It was the opinion of all fair minded witnesses that Johnson beat Hart"

 

Lol grown men arguing about the size of boxers thighs.