Is Jimmy Wilde the hardest puncher p4p ever? UPDATED WITH JIMMY WILDE FOOTAGE

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Vano-Irons, Sep 2, 2011.


  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    We're not in a court of law. Thats ridiculous. If we were you should really be looking at all available evidence which you clearly have not if you were unaware of this possibility these men weren't novices.

    On that note I don't think we really have to provide sources for you. Thats up to you if you want to do the research.
     
  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    We're not in a Court of Law. We're discussing boxers records, we don't need absolute proof, just to acknowledge the likelyhood of missing fights in boxers records from that era.


    I don't discredit Boxrec, its a great resource and I accept its not practical to expect every single fight to be listed, I don't balme Boxrec for that.

    People using Boxrec without engaging a little common sense is the problem here. Not Boxrec itself.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Why did his peers say he hit so hard then? Why did Nat Fleischer rate him as the no.1 greatest Fly of all time?

    WATCH HIS FIGHT WITH VILLA! Even past prime, you can see what he's all about, actually watching fighters is far better than boxrec. Here's an example

    http://boxingcommunity.org/articles...estroys-ganhyuagu-ganzorig-in-the-second.html

    Look at how many fights 'Ganzorig' supposedly has in the above article. Now check out his boxrec link http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=334518&cat=boxer
    It's still happening now FFS, boxrec is not the be all and end all.

    Anyway, I've just given you two notable opponents that he stopped. How many do you want, 80?! Look at anyone who has had close to 100 K.Os, not every one was against a top-notch Elite level fighter.

    Here's an example on boxrec; take a look at Julio Cesar Chavez. You'll see he went undefeated for nearly 100 bouts. Look further and you'll find he was DQ'd in one of his early bouts and it was covered up.


    Back to the point in hand, the real Joe Walcott is an obvious contender. A 5'2 Welterweight who destroyed Joe Choynski, who was essentially a small Light Heavy by todays standards, by rated by all (including Jack Johnson, who he sparked) as the hardest puncher of the time. Walcott demolished him.
     
  4. GazOC

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    Off the top of my head from when I was doing a Pat Daly write up. One of his opponets.

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=48062&cat=boxer

    Fought for the Italian title in his 2nd fight. Do you really think its a "fairy tale" to assume this guy has missing fights on his record prior to that point?
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Sandy saddler probably deserves some mentions.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    He has already had two :smoke
     
  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I did.
     
  8. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    As Flea, Gaz and T have all said, these records should be looked at thru tinted shades. Of course Boxrec is a good source, but it is not the be all and end all. Gaz made a very good point, these boxers who had 3 listed fIghts ok Boxrec clearly had more, otherwise they wouldn't have got a shot at a national title. The lower weights at the time are very sketchy to say the least. And if your name wasn't Jimmy Wilde, you was hardly mentioned in Britain. That's not to say these fighters were bad, but Jimmy was the celebrity of the day, a mini David Haye almost.

    The other thing we mist take into account here is his size. He was naturally a strawweight, and was outweight by a stone almost every time he fought. In perspective, it would be like a welterweight Pacquiao (already at his highest possible weight) taking on the likes of Martinez, Geale, Macklin etc, in every fight he's ever had, and not only beating them, knocking most of them out.

    For me, he's my number one. Accounts I've read of him going into fairgrounds at 15 years of age and knocking out guys over 6ft estimated to weight 180-200lbs just solidify his position for me.

    My number 2 would be Sam Langford, with Hearns in 3rd. Although Jackson and Ezzard Charles are also a very very good shouts.

    So come on let's have em. Everyone's top 5 p4p hardest hitters ever.

    Wilde
    Langford
    Hearns
    Jackson
    Charles

    And that's leaving some monter hitters out!
     
  9. Flea Man

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    I was gonna' go with the dark horse Israel Contreras (merely to give him a shout out ;-)), who sparked Vasquez Sr, Espinosa and beat down Minus. but if I say him, I'd have to go for Khaosai Galaxy. He was so overrated he now gets pretty underrated.

    In terms of sheer force, both he and Moon were barbaric punchers.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It didn't take long for Moon to make an appearance. I was thinking it would take at least 8 pages :patsch;)
     
  11. DonnieB

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    You're right we ain't in the court of law but evidence still needs to be brought forward. If you're going to make claims to try and prove me wrong "those fighters were novices" etc then provide it (not that i was debating with you per se) or simply put butt out of the debate i was having with the guy who has a trophy in his avatar.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Jackson
    Moore
    Hearns
    Foster
    Foreman

    Off the top of my head.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Better still, put some evidence forward other than boxrec that those fighters were novices.
     
  14. Vano-Irons

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    Fixed for ya Flea
     
  15. DonnieB

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    It counts as alot, especially when many of his opponents had on "boxrec" zero fights. It is possible that sone of them had a few fights and by a few I mean no more than four. It still doesn't represent his power (we don't know the durability of these guys their heart chin etc etc. So yes in a nutshell he was obviously a good fighter but we just do not know for a fact how good.