Is Joe Calzaghe a legend Killer?

I know mate. Just going along wit ya. :good

 

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Love those two chaps in your avatar. True warriors!!!

 

end of the thread... LOL

My thoughts exactly.

 

thinly veiled bull**** threads for the lose.

name one legend killer? there are none, its such a bull**** phrase in this game.

Joe embarrasses up and coming champions in Lacy and Kessler, and he is accused of fighting untested boxers. Joe beats veterans in Eubank, Hopkins and most likely Jones and he is accused of fighting old boys. He makes mandatory defences against people not even on his level and thats somehow his fault too! **** he cant help being the man!!

 

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I've been saying this for a while. Joe can not win. Or he can win, he always wins, but not in the minds of boxing fans.

 

seemingly Boxing fans, and Joe Calzaghe fans, can't be one and the same.

 

Though I hear what you are saying this is not strictly true.

After Lacy, Joe fought unheralded spoiler Bika, didn't look that great, even though he dominated him, but followed this by that jokefest of a fight that was Manfredo. This destroyed the respect he'd gained from the Lacy win.

He regained said respect by fighting Kessler, but then by fighting Hopkins, again he respect is diminished.

And then, to further lower his standing, he fights a shot to pieces Jones.

Joe takes a lot of stick, but much of it is his own fault

 

Why is his respect diminished for fighting Hopkins? :?

Heaven forbid a fighter move up and beat the supposed man at LHW. I hate to think what lack of respect you have for Tarver and Wright. Hell, Pavlik must be in the gutter as far as you are concerned

You are correct on Jones however

 

Because he talked about moving up in weight and fighting in America for ****ing YEARS before he actually did it. When he did actually find the courage to go for it it happened to coincide with a 43 year old being the man at 175. He never moved up when he initially threatened to, when there was a 30-33 year old Roy Jones Jr standing in his way. Doesn't take a genius to work out why he waited, and waited, and waited....and even then he looked like crap and should have lost :good

 

Easy with the sarcasm, I was merely trying to explain why Joe gets a lot of crap. Hopkins did a sterling job by dethroning Tarver in a fight most thought he wouldn't win, me included. But Wright had no business at 170.

Hopkins is ancient in boxing terms, and most people accept he was far removed from his best at the time Joe fought him. I knew he was nowhere near 'shot', and would cause Joe problems, but the man on the street sees Calzaghe look poor beating 'old man' and getting embarressed in the first round. This is why his stature decreases from Hopkins.

By then fighting Jones, it solidifies the hate.

For the record I like Calzaghe, but he's not boxing's whipping boy without some justification

 

So who was he supposed to fight at this point when he moved up in weight? Was he supposed to cherry pick one of the paper belt holders rather than the legit champ in your eyes? I'm sure you would have been most forthcoming with praise had he beaten Erdei.

Hate knows no bounds it seems.

 

Some of the so-called experts don't help either, I'm sure Barry McGuigan said something about him being the greatest British fighter ever. Utter bollocks. He'd probably beat Collins but prime Eubank and Benn I doubt, same with prime Watson too. Prime Graham was the best boxer of the bunch but always managed to **** it up somehow. He'd still clown Calslappy though, probably cut him to pieces and stop him.

As for comparisons with Lennox Lewis.... atsch

 

At this stage I think there was only one other champ at 175 other than Jones and that was DM.

There's the answer to your question. He knew he'd get ****ed up by either champion so he either stayed at 168 with his paper strap fighting nobodies, or he moved up and took a few warm up fights at 175 to challenge the champ. Only problem with that was he may have just been made a mandatory before the two aforementioned champions became shot to ****, or lost, or both. Joe stayed where he was for so long for a reason :yep

You can't have it both ways, you were the one in your previous post that talked about Joe moving up and taking on the man at 175 and deserving credit. Had he done it when there wasn't an old man waiting for him he might just have got some credit.