Is Joe Calzaghe a "Ricky hatton" that never met a Floyd or Manny in his division

old RJJ knocked him down with a forearm. look at the uppercuts RJJ was throwwing in the 6th that JC walked through.
People using the thing that a shot RJJ put him on his ass dont like to admit that there was no glove at all that connected with the hit

 

He was the best at 168 and beat whoever was put in front of him.
So on that basis he was the floyd or pac of 168.
And anyone who reigns for as long as he did. Deserves to be HOF worthy.
The guy was a ****ing good fighter who had
unbelievable stamina and had the ability to adapt during a fight. Some fighters only have plan A and get found out like Pavlic or Hatton for example. It takes a special kind of fighter who can change the whole game plan mid fight and turn it on its head.
Calzaghe could do that.
That makes him a special fighter in my opinion.

 

What is that suppose to mean? A mistimed shot that hit with a forearm isn't some sort of super-special-knockdown blow, Calzaghe is lucky it was a better timed flush shot. The forearm was moving in a glancing direction.

Calzaghe has a great chin but implying that the knockdown was solely because it was a forearm is ridiculous, Calzaghe just lapsed in defense and was caught in a bad position, fortunately for him it was only a glancing forearm and not a perfectly timed punch.

And no, a comparison to Ricky Hatton isn't valid. He is well above Hatton's level. Calzaghe scrapes into an ATG top 100, Hatton barely scrapes into the HoF.

 

I sort of understand where you’re coming from, and agree that Calzaghe’s record is undermined due to the level of his opposition. The only great he’d ever faced that still had something left in him, was a 43 year old Hopkins, in which I (and many others) believe Joe lost.

Also, in regards to Ricky, his record too was blossomed by a weak 140 division. His beating over a faded Kosta Tzu is way too overrated, and his dominance over the smaller guys in his division contributed to the myth that he was unbeatable in the 140 zone. Only 7 pounds north, were the likes of Cotto, Mayweather, Mosely etc, now that’s what you call a hot division.

And the moment he stepped up, he revealed to the world his limitations as a fighter. Hatton was nothing more than a brave pub brawler, who I’m sure would have had a few more defeats on his record had he crossed paths with the likes of Cotto and Mosely.

Which brings us to Joe, who I believe had he taken the same risks as Hatton (which wasn’t much by the way), that O would have gone a long time ago. A prime Jones would have put him to sleep, and a younger Executioner would have schooled him to a 12 round decision.

So yes, Calzage to an extent is a Ricky Hatton that took no risks. Which means he definately is not an all time great.

 

yeah.. he is. he fought very old fighters in his biggest fights. i give him a little credit for beating hopkins (coz hopkins beat pavlik afterwards),but the roy jones fight wasnt necessary coz roy jones is way over the hill and just fighting coz maybe he's got nothing to do. pavlik, abraham, taylor, dawson are fighters he shouldve fought.

 

Joe was only ever the top 168 fighter when Ottke retired

 

Calzaghe is an ATG.

 

Agreed....

 

Calzaghe ain't as limited as Hatton, he wouldn't have been dominated the way Hatton was if he faced a prime elite fighter. But he certainly could have lost.

 

Calzahge was well protected by his promoter Frank Warren for most of his career, feasting on a steady diet of bums when he could have faced some of the best fighters like James Toney, Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, at their best. I was never a big fan of his, but he proved to me he at least had the skill set to compete with the best of them. Too bad Frank Warren didnt think so, and was more interested in keeping him undefeated in full arenas against the most marginal fighters.

 

I'd say that about sums it up.

Joe will always have the "prime Jones/prime Hopkins/prime Toney" ghost haunting him and in that sense, Hatton was more admirable in his approach to his career.

Joe's days as a top-100 guy will be fairly short, I think, though. Others will be along shortly that are very good fighters and take more chances in their prime and will be ranked ahead of him and shove him out of the discussion.

 

Hatton made an effort to get away from Warren because he wanted to see how good he was against the best. Calzahge seemed to wait until the best was over the hill. Im not so sure it was his doing, or a consorted effort, but I think Joe had good skills, and its ashame he robbed himself of creating a real good legacy for himself. There was no shame in losing to a prime Roy Jones, or James Toney, thats for sure.

 

Hatton is a fighter who had less skill than Calzaghe, but Hatton used his skill more to his benefit than Calzaghe. Calzaghe was protected for too long in my opinion and maybe if he had bigger fights earlier in his Career we could have said that Calzaghe is an ATG.

 

joe calzaghe did meet mayweather. they shook hands in vegas weheeeeeyyyyy. dumb answer to dumb thread.

are you contrasting hatton against clazghe becuase they are both british? yes i think so