Is Joe Calzaghe the most overrated champion of this generation

Worse for you, sorry. Now you have no agenda; now its simply no knowledge.

 

I am the guru son. I've probably forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know.

 

Your 53 posts say otherwise.

 

No

 

Reading through your posts I see very little knowledge. Just bias and infinite posts about Mayweather. 53 posts just indicate I haven't posted frequently on the site.

 

what a noob. Brush up on ur boxing history or put some sense in ur words. Floyd's accomplishments at 147 is at best mediocre but to say he beat only a handful of good fighters and beat up wash ups is just plain ignorant.
First of all there are fighters who spend all their careers to become champion once. Floyd did it five times in five different weight class. He didn't fight ranked players except mitchell for that was his 147lb debut. He fought champions not contenders. So how can you say he fought nobodies?
Floyd became champion in his 18th pro fight and dominated the man at 130 is fraud like too huh. He then cleaned house at 130 and beating Chico, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Henderaz, Angel Mandfeddy who were are in peak of prime and top 10 130lbers were fraud like.
Move up in weight and fought the man at 135 castillo twice in his debut is fraud like right? And as soon as he got his money fight with Gatti is where all his "cherry picking" bull**** begin while Cotto can fight Gomez, Hatton can fight Collazo/urangos and Joe can fight manfedo and bika of the world without any criticism.
And surely you don't except for Floyd to never encounter someone who is a champion and is older than him do you? Oscar is out of prime but he still holds a distinct size and ring size advantage.

Bottomline, idiots like you who can't think objectively should not watch boxing. Sounds like you have bought into some serious bull simply Floyd performs better than who you are nuthugging on.

 

I never said he wasn't a good fighter. I am saying he is vastly overrated and one of the most overrated fighters I have seen in recent memory. He has accomplishments at 130 that are impressive but when people compare him to atg's of the past it is taking it too far to the point of ridiculousness. Today I logged on to a messageboard and people were saying he'd beat nearly any great from 130-140lbs. How can you can compare a guy who has 39 fights; who's best wins were against Corrales, Hernandez and Rios to any top 10 atg fighter from 130-140 is beyond me. After his fights with Castillo he has not fought the caliber of fighters he should have. I am one of the most objective boxing fans you'll ever encounter. Calling me a noob is laughable considering ive been following the sport for over 20 years son.

 

How can he be overated when he holds one of the best resume today? Unlike Oscar, Floyd won his fights. Here is the list of top 10 fighters Floyd have beaten. Hatton, Oscar, Judah, Baldomir, Gatti, N'dou, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hend, Angel Manfreddy, Castillo 2x, Corrales, Generano Henderaz were all either champions or top 10. Overated? If he is overated then 99 percent of the fighters in boxing is overated.

 

A couple quibbles with that list. The Gatti and Baldomir fights shouldn't be included. Forget for a second whether they were ranked top 10 or not, they were not relevant fighters at the time. Including the first win over Castillo is very genereous is most people feel he lost. As I stated earlier the accomplishments at 130 were impressive but after that you cannot argue it has been cherry picking. He's overrated by himself comparing his 'resume' to srr and ali, and he's overrated by his fanboys argueing he's the best 130lber of all time.

 

calzaghe was a fine champ. A lot of good wins. But his level of comp is what will ultimately hurt him the most.

 

If anything he is underrated. For many years this was his own fault becuse he didn't do enough to convince, but now some people underate him because they just don't like him.

 

Baldomir has been a game player for years. Unbeaten in 5 years in his opponents hometown. The man lacks talent but he is no push over with his heart and chin. Baldomir was a severely underated fighter. Anyone who can beat opponents in their hometown time and time again is not a scrub. Yes he is not as dangerous as margarito but he did beat Zab when Zab was on the top which makes him relevant. Gatti was being praise by everyone of his "new" found boxer-puncher type skills before he was sent right back down to earth by Floyd. Lets not forget that Floyd wanted Kostya, Shane, Hatton, Cotto, and of course Oscar before the Gatti fight and they have all said NO. The only man that Floyd have truely ducked is Antonio Margarito but his ego wouldn't allow him to admit that Margarito have a serious chance of an upset.

Btw I had Floyd winning the first castillo fight bc he won the first five rounds and 3 swing rounds while castillo finshed strong. And the only reason why he under perform was bc he came into fight with an injury.

As for him stating he is the greatest... he have his justifications, just like other have justifications why he shouldn't be. 1) The Classic greats have more fights vs He is the first to win titles in 5 different weight class. etc etc. Floyd does have some ground to be compare to atgs bc of his accomplishments and stats being number 1 for most punches landed/recieve ratio EVER. we will never know how atgs will match up with him but I wouldn't automatically rule him out. His skillset is second to none. His biggest weakness is his ego.

 

I really dont understand boxing enthusiasts anymore, why would anybody start a thread asking such a bull**** question about a man who has acheived so much in his lifetime as a fighter, undefeated for 17 years. I have a question: how big a bolox are you??? how old are you?? and why do you not appreciate all fighters???.... Discuss.....

 

It's hard for me to really argue with you on these points. I don't agree that beating Baldomir and Gatti were great wins but revisiting his record from 135 and below it is impressive. His recent choices in fights and attitude probably clouded some of my judgement. That's the main thing that has always turned me off to Floyd, and it's his ego. I'm not a Floyd hater by any means, just the comment he made saying he was better than Ray Robinson was really what upset me. If anything I'd just like to see him fight some more against top guys so we can really see where to place him on lists.

 

He's overrated but Mayweather is by far the most overrated of this generation. His career is a total conn job and it amazes me how he still has people swinging from his nuts when he hasn't fought anybody in the last two years that he might pose a threat to him. At least Calzaghe (and it pains me to praise the guy cause I really can't stand him) fought the guys the public demanded him to fight: Lacy and Kessler, who were the two top guys for him to fight at 168. Gayweather retired....TWICE instead of facing any of the top guys at 147.