Is Joe Gans a greater lightweight than Roberto Duran?

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Borderline Anarchist Full Member

    Dec 18, 2022
    We all know how remarkable Duran was at lightweight, he was like a freight train that was destroying in his path. But, despite that, I think Joe Gans has a much more impressive resume in the division. He has wins over Battling Nelson, George 'Elbows' McFadden, Jack Blackburn and Kid Herman. These are all ATG fighters, and the ones found on film are quite impressive IMO.

    Duran's resume at lightweight obviously isn't crappy either, and I have him higher P4P, but I think Gans might have a more legitimate argument as the lightweight GOAT. Thoughts?
  2. RealDeal

    RealDeal Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    May 2, 2009
    I have my top 3 as Gans, Benny Leonard, and Duran but I can’t ever decide what order to put them in…I go back and forth.
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  3. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    It's a reasonable opinion. Joe Gans was/is held in very rare air for good reason. He just did his thing so long ago he gets overlooked.
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Jun 9, 2007
    I personally have Duran in the top slot
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  5. Sooncreate3

    Sooncreate3 Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2020
    Imo, I do have Gans ranked over Duran as a lightweight due to lightweight opposition beat. But if ranking all-time P4P, gotta go with Duran.
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  6. Terror

    Terror Well-Known Member Full Member

    Mar 22, 2010
    I don't rate Benny or Gans as high as Duran because I haven't seen as many of their fights and I am not as familiar with their work, additionally I rate the technique and fighters of their time a bit lower than Duran's. I understand Gans' historical significance and many who saw him recount him as the finest boxer they'd ever seen, but I just can't rate him higher than Duran all things considered.
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Greater beyond almost all doubt i'd say. Gans took an absolute swathe of lightweight scalps, he was a monster there, it was crazy. Duran is way behind. You can argue it either way for ATG P4P status I think, but just based upon lightweights? The argument for GOAT is between Leonard and Gans with Duran maybe calling out the winner from ringside.
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  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    I have Leonard Gans and Duran in that order…but I don’t think there is enough separating these 3 to declare there is not room for debate or divergent opinions. To me, these 3 are the Lightweight kings, put them in whatever order seems best to you
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  9. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    Yea, on board with your thought pattern, and these are 123 by most punters, personally I have Duran at No1.
    stay safe buddy.
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  10. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    Just thinking, is the LWs the easiest to put down the unaqvical 123 ?
    Is HWs -- Louis/Ali/Marciano
    Is LHWs - Moore/Foster/Charles
    Is MWs -- Greb/Monzon/SRR or Hagler
    Is WWs -- Leonard ( either )/ Napoles/ Armstrong
    Is FWs -- Saddler/Pep/ Sanchez
    Is BWs - Olivares/Zarate/ Jofre
    Is -- FWs Wilde/Lynch/ Canto
    Thinking it might be.....
    stay safe guys.
  11. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    You can argue it either way.
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  12. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2018

    1. Leonard
    2. Gans
    3. Duran
    4. McFarland
    5. Whittaker
    6. Ortiz
    7. William's
    8. Amber's
    9. Welsh
    10. Canzeroni

    I can see Mandell top 10, but that's about it.

    Gans just over Duran based on fights contested in and around LW only, imo. Duran just higher p4p based on their entire careers, for me.
  13. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2018
    Snap and agreed.
  14. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2018
    LW or BW, for me, though I have Ortiz rather than Zarate as a lock for my top 3.
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Oct 4, 2016
    1. Duran
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Gans.
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