Is Juan Manuel Marquez an All-Time Great ?

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  1. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    vote and discuss boxing scholars of boxing news 24 forum.

    when i rank fighters, you either fall into :

    - great
    - elite
    - HOF
    - ATG
    - legendary
    - Ali

    Question, does JMM fall into the ATG category?
     
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  2. MVC!

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    Of course he is.
     
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  3. jas

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    many would argue he is a hall famer, not an ATG
     
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  4. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Yup and those guys know almost nothing about boxing

    He's definitely below Pac/Floyd in terms of rankings but he definitely is part of that illustrious list.

    He's 3-1 vs Pac.

    Pac has never won convincingly vs Marquez.
     
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  5. jas

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    is tarver an all time great for beating roy jones ?
     
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  6. Brandish

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    pac is not an atg because he never dominated any division and only has 6 title defenses for his whole career:lol:
     
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  7. jas

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    wow brandish, see you made it here from NSB, you get banned?
     
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  8. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only name that stands out on Marquez's resume is Pacquiao, you cannot put him as one of the atgs just because he beat Pacquiao once. :deal
     
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  9. Nonito Smoak

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    Marquez is a multi division titlist, including lineal LW champion. He holds multiple significant wins. And his quadrilogy with Pacquiao is one of the best in boxing's history. One that most people will claim Marquez realistically came out the winner of.

    He's been in tons of exciting fights. The reason I bring this up is because in your own thread, you claim that excitement directly translates to P4P ranking. Thus, it must translate to their place in history, correct? Something for you to consider.

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    The thread all depends on how many fighters you consider to be "All Time Greats." If I'm extending that to only 30 fighters ever, then JMM falls well short. If there have been 100 ATG's ever, then JMM falls into that category.
     
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  10. Imperial1

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    He's a hall of famer but no all time great.
     
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  11. MVC!

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    Good post. :deal
     
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  12. jas

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    my p4p list is based on:

    1) resume in past year (most important)
    2) ability
    3) career accomplishments
    4) excitement (least important)
     
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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Serious question:

    Do draws or debated decisions only apply in a fighters' legacy if it is a fighter you are arguing against?

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    Manny Pacquiao, Joel Casamayor, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Diaz X2, Derrick Gainer, Orlando Salido, Michael Katsidis... pretty solid.

    His list of conquerors is greater than his list of top victims: Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, John
     
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  14. jas

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    you debate like a 5 year old. nitpicking and taking everything i say in its most literal and extreme sense.

    you didnt answer the question...is tarver an ATG for beating roy jones?

    ok marquez was the lineal lightweight champion and.............tarver was the true, lineal, undisputed, universally recognised light-heavyweight champion of the world.

    and for arguments sake, lets say ATG is a top 50 all time fighter.
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

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    Marquez might still fall short of that, I don't know. Haven't done one in a while and not since before Pac/JMM III even.

    No, Tarver is not an ATG. That much seems obvious.
     
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