Is Juan Manuel Marquez the only elite fighter in his prime

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  1. rapidHOOK

    rapidHOOK The Champ is HERE Full Member

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    hatton is not in his prime no more, his prime was the kostya fight

    all thanks to our friend Guinness
     
    rapidHOOK, Jan 22, 2009
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  2. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    morales is also an elite fighter when he faced a peaking pacman. that was even more of pac's peak compared to now when he could be physically slowing down. even at 30 now, i pegged pac as in his prime and would not discredit anyone who will beat him by saying he is past his prime.
     
    puga_ni_nana, Jan 22, 2009
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  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Your hopeless.

    Past prime Barrera vs Kevin Kelley
    You know who Kevin Kelley is right? B level dude, never a world champion, journey man all his career, KO five times, Once by Bobby Pacquiao in just 4 rounds!!

    Well this shows you how much Barrera had slowed down by the time he faced Pacquiao. Look how slow and sluggish Barrera looks compared to his prime. This is the same year Barrera lost to the Prime young Pacquiao. Tell me if Barrera was prime here.

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    IsaL, Jan 22, 2009
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  4. glimmerman

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    Around the time he had his first 2 fights with morrales after that 2nd fight he was on the slide, he whent on beating good oponnents but then he met a high level fighter like pac and against pac you will loose if your not an elite fighter IN YOUR PRIME!!!!!
     
    glimmerman, Jan 22, 2009
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  5. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I see what the problem is here.

    The misunderstanding lies where many boxing fans have seen many fighters go from young hot prospect to young hungry contender to champion to past prime to shot.

    We see the difference, we know the difference because we have seen many fighters go through this cycle.

    Where as Pac fans, they have only followed one fighter, and only know one mans cycle. When Pac starts losing more fights, they will understand what is past prime, and they will argue, had he been prime this and had he been prime that. They will say prime fpr prime he would not have lost to whatever new young fighter he lost too.

    That is why you can't argue with them, they don't get it, they are new to the sport of boxing on a world class level. Not all, but most. The others are just plain blind nut huggers.
     
    IsaL, Jan 22, 2009
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  6. puga_ni_nana

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    morales did find a way to beat pac.
     
    puga_ni_nana, Jan 22, 2009
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  7. glimmerman

    glimmerman Member Full Member

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    IN A NUT SHELL!!!!!!!!! :good
     
    glimmerman, Jan 22, 2009
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  8. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JMM was 31 the first time they fought, who can say if he wasn't already a little past his absolute prime? I believe Pac's team THOUGHT he was.
     
    bernie4366, Jan 22, 2009
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  9. glimmerman

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    Because morrels is an atg and he wasnt in his prime, so thanx for pointing that out, shows that maybe you are overating pac a bit if a past his prime morrales could find a way to beat him!
     
    glimmerman, Jan 22, 2009
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  10. puga_ni_nana

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    i would not discredit anyone who will beat pac at this time. physically he is on the slide but over-all he is on the top of his game and anyone who beats him now will get major props. i would not even resort to posting videos of pac when he was younger and faster and find videos where he is sluggish just to prove my point that he was not prime anymore compared to the time he beat barrera.
     
    puga_ni_nana, Jan 22, 2009
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  11. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Morales was a better style matchup with his long arms... he had a long jab and a long right hand behind it. MAB is primarily a left hooker and better as a brawler, and at that point in his career he did not have the option to brawl with Pac, he couldn't sustain the same level of intensity that he could at 122 for sure. Pac is basically a swarmer with good speed and very good power, and when he gets hit he goes crazy and is all over you like white on rice. It's an easier fight keeping him on the end of your jab than trying to hook to his body and then fight him off of you.
     
    bernie4366, Jan 22, 2009
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  12. puga_ni_nana

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    where in my post did i overrate pac? i just said that pac beat a prime, elite, p4p#3 and on top of his game barrera.
     
    puga_ni_nana, Jan 22, 2009
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  13. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's only thirty. You will start to see some slowing in the next couple of years.
     
    bernie4366, Jan 22, 2009
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  14. glimmerman

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    I give up! look lets agree to disagree you think barrera was prime, 95% of boxing fans think barrera was on the slide! so lets just leave it there
     
    glimmerman, Jan 22, 2009
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  15. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh? He beat MAB back in 2000, before the wars with EM? Funny, I can't find that in boxrec.
     
    bernie4366, Jan 22, 2009
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