Is Ken Norton a Top 20 ATG Heavyweight?

As I stated previously he was showing the signs of the damage that led to you saying Ali's performances against Holmes and Berbick were "an old fat man with parkinson".

But the evidence is Ali had the symptoms of Parkinson syndrome way before that, and Ali weighed 221 against Norton, and yet was 217.5 against Holmes...

If Ali weighed 3.5lbs more against Norton, and he was "fat" against Holmes, that makes him fat there too!

So Ali had the symptoms of Parkinson Syndrome and was fat against Norton; he was also two months away from his 35th Birthday, in other words, as old as any Heavyweight in the top 10 at the time...

Guess that makes him old too!

 

YES, NORTON NEVER FACED FRAZIER(BECAUSE EDDIE FUTCH DID NOT WANT, i said on other thread that lyle probably would ko norton, norton would ko patterson, norton would beat ellis(a crappy ali), for sure.
but he faced the best man and he dominated the best man, he faced holmes( top 5 hw) and norton was past his prime, and still this fight was pretty close. wladimir never faced lewis, lewis was the best of his era.
you are saying that wladimir is higher because he is more dominant in his era, then according your logic , marciano should be the best, because he did beat anyone... the quality of rivals is a very important factor to value a fighter

 

a last question ironchamp
i think that ron lyle is top 15 hardest punchers, you disagree?

i put above him only
foreman,shavers
liston, tyson
max baer
rocky marciano
david tua,joe louis,jack dempsey,wladimir.
vitali and lewis (only maybe).
and frazier and cooney is debatable because lyle dropped foreman twice and they could not even hurt him. i think that frazier was not harder puncher than lyle with a single shot.

frank bruno was a hard puncher but he never knocked out or dropped a legend with good chin. i put ruddock around as lyle.

 

just because a fighter drops an ex-champ in a single fight does not prove he was a top-15 power punching fighter. the fact remains lyle never stopped a decent heavy who did not have acknowledged chin/stamina issues. sure, lyle was a hard puncher. he was not an elite puncher, though.

thank you for playing 7 Degrees of Ron Lyle.

 

Was Gerry Cooney an elite puncher ?

 

obviously you don´t like lyle but your point is basing on nothing.

frank bruno was a very hard puncher and he never knocked out anyone, all them pure garbage, he did hurt lewis because lennox did not have a good chin.

gerry cooney did beat shot norton, shot young and shot lyle. apart these men he did beat pure garbage.

donovan ruddock he was a great puncher , but he knocked out a past prime james smith... apart of smith he knocked out pure garbage...

ron lyle dropped foreman early and twice, foreman had iron chin early.
larry holmes could not ko shavers for the count, ron lyle destroyed shavers. lyle knocked out buster mathis in 2 rounds, joe frazier did beat him by tko in 11.ron lyle did his pro debut in his 30s and he fought in the best era in the hw. ron lyle is around top 15 hardest puncher in the hw history
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoox1xTO24[/ame]

 

Your usual predictable epic fail of a retort. At least you're consistent.

I have no problem with Lyle. I met him probably a dozen times when he worked in Vegas. Nice guy. Great story. Good, not great, fighter. I have much respect for him.

Gerry Coetzee was a decent pelt, as good as the oft-dinged Shavers. Lewis had a fine chin. He just faced the era of the biggest punchers the division ever saw.

Still better than anything Lyle accomplished via KO.

errr... ever hear of a guy named Michael Dokes. He was a champion at a point and readily acknowedged as one of the greatest heavyweight talents of his generation. This was only a year after his great effort against Holyfield.

wow. **** i have never heard before. KO'ing a fat, diabetic Buster Mathis in Mathis' last fight is great indeed!

Did Lyle fight Foreman? I never heard about this. Who won?

 

"michael dokes" "coetze".... really i will not spend my time....
(funny because you are talking like if your points are good....your points are one the badest points on this forum for sure)