Is Ken Shamrock ruining his legacy by fighting?

Ken's not hurting his legacy. He established himself long ago in Japan by beating the best mixed martial artists at the time. His career in the States and the UFC in particular never really reached the heights it should have. He never won a UFC tournament and the third one was his for the taking but he dropped out when he heard Royce had to withdraw. He eventually went on to win a "super fight" but never really won the actual UFC championship in any division.

Right now, Ken is just waiting for the right time to establish someone else's legacy. Some hotshot young kid is coming to come out of nowhere and flatten Ken so bad that he never gets back in the ring. Then perhaps we'll see Shamrock retire.

no doubt Ken is doing this for the money so perhaps we'll never see him retire. He will probably go back to pro-wrestling somewhere. Even if it was only as a manager.

 

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This is a laughable misreading of history. In his prime Ken was the first winner of the original (non-tournament) UFC title and the first man to work out how to resist Royce Gracie. After Gracie, he was the main main in the promotion's glory period. The problem was that he was using a style of fighting that legit amatuer wrestlers would be better utilised so as the likes of Frye and Severn came into the sport he was surpassed. Not much he could really do about that.

 

Your post is a misreading of history. Take the time to do a google search or actually watch those fights live like I did my friend.

Good time for one of these: :deal

Ken's problem is simple. He even stated so when he coached TUF. He doesn't practice jiujistu. He stayed true to his shootwrestling roots over the years but he refused to train in jiujitsu. To my knowledge his only jiujitsu experience was training briefly with the Machado brothers to learn how to fight from inside the guard and then went on to pioneer the technique of ground and pound in his rematch fight with Royce Gracie at UFC 5. In a sport where everyone else admitted that jiujitsu had to be an essential element of mixed martial arts, Ken refused to to acquiesce to that theory and paid dearly for it. His second and third losses to Tito he was put on his back and KO'd from inside his own guard in much the way he tried and failed to do to Royce Gracie years earlier. f he had studied proper jiujitsu his career would have lasted much longer.

 

Where did I say Shamrock's lack of jiu-jitsu knowledge was a problem? I said that claiming that his legacy was primarily based on his career in his pancrease and ignoring the fact that he won the original UFC title is laughable ignorance. And yes the problem with Shamrock was his shootwrestling techniques became a lot less successful when battle hardened amatuer wrestlers with better takedowns and top control came into the sport.

 

Someone else is going to have to explain this fallacy to you.

 

Don't be pedantic arsehole. I made clear when referring to the superfight championship in my first post that it was the "first (non-tournament) title". In any case it is still the original championship from which the heavyweight title takes its lineage.

 

BUt I'm good at being a pedantic *******.

Actually the UFC title came from the winner of the final two UFC tournaments which was Mark Coleman. Coleman would defeat Severn in a later super-fight - but never faced Shamrock although both were slated to appear in the second Ultimate Ultimate tournament (eidt: Shamrock fought and dropped out of the Ultimate Ultimate). Coleman defended his UFC title against EFC champion Maurice Smith and the rest is history.

 

Don is everything that EVERY man should aspire to be. :thumbsup

 

Wrong. Severn won the Super Fight Championship from Ken Shamrock at UFC 9. His next fight in the UFC was against Coleman to unify the Super Fight Championship (the original non-tournament belt that Shamrock/Gracie II and Shamrock/Severn I had been for). Through the unification match at UFC 12 the heavyweight title can trace its lineage back to Shamrock/Gracie II and Shamrock/Severn I.

 

Will Cooling, I'm giving you one last chance to bow at my feet and ask for forgiveness. Admit that you are wrong and then log out until Monday.

 

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Why would I do that? What have you said to disprove the point that Ken Shamrock held the first non-tournament UFC title? Ken Shamrock fought Gracie for the belt in a drawn match in 1995. He defeated Severn for the belt later that year. He defended it twice before losing to Severn in a rematch. Severn in his next UFC fight contested a unification match with heavyweight champion Coleman. Because of that match you can trace the lineage of the heavyweight title back to Shamrock's matches with Gracie and Severn.

 

he need to kill his self. =]