Is Kessler the most overrated boxer on this forum ?

This is the whole point Jeff. His record up to the point of the Pascal fight had been built solely on domestic level (Dodson, Magee, the version of Reid that he faced) and clubfighter opposition. Those guys weren't bad fighters at all. However, plenty on these boards slate Calzaghe's opposition for much of his world title reign even though it included a lot of world class fighters. I won't insult your intelligence by naming them. People have been calling Calzaghe's opposition awful, dreadful, a joke etc...

Since Froch's win over Taylor (very good win, but his ONLY one to date over a proven top ten opponent), people have been making disparaging comments about Calzaghe by comparison to Froch. There's even one idiot claiming that the win over Taylor eclipses all of Calzaghe's achievements, which is simply farcical. If people are going to compare Froch to Calzaghe in this manner, then they have to expect him to be judged by the same standards. And if Calzaghe's opposition is poor, then Froch's to date is friggin diabolical. He still has time to change that and may well do so, but if we're going to compare two fighters, we have to do so by the same standards. It's exactly the same as the haters who try and rubbish Ricky Hatton's record and then champion Junior Witter, who has faced a sum total of about 4-5 "live" opponents in his whole career in between knocking out absolute cadavers.

 

Why do you believe that repeatedly posting this proves anything?

 

....and so it begins :-(

 

He is overrated but not too that extent. The thing i've been saying with regards to Calzaghe, is that his best win was undoubtedly Kessler. It was a good win especially seeing as he was probably losing after 6, however I asked the question, will Kessler EVER be rated as a P4P great or would he even make it into the HOF. In my opinion the answer to both those questions is no. Now i'm willing to be proven wrong but at the rate he's going even if he was good enough he's losing his best years now and this will hurt him. This all diminishes Joe's legacy as his best win never proved to amount to much ??
On another note...... does anybody think that we have another Naseem on our hands ? Maybe he's lost the heart for it after the Calzaghe defeat ? Surely if he'd have REALLY wanted to he could have been fighting ?

 

No. Kessler has performed as consistently as always against Sartison and Haussler. Not that they were good opponents, but he showed the hunger and desire is there. Kessler was also very frustrated at the end of the fight, I watched his interview in Danish. He was frustrated Haussler was such a bum that he got knocked out with a jab, he wanted a better opponent.

And no, he can't just go and fight if he WANTS to. The world does not work like that. The whole dispute is over the rights to his fights, which Palle does have. Kessler claims for one more fight, Palle claims for two more. Palle has the rights to the fight, Kessler can't go and fight whoever he wants!

 

Sorry never saw the post fight interviews and I was actually under the impression he'd only had one fight since the defeat so my apologies BUT if I was losing THAT much momentum I would certainly think about doing the 2 fights that they wanted. Whats the problem. It could've been done and dusted in less than 6/7 months. Thats all I was thinking ?

 

Well he is going to have another fight soon. Likely his mandatory contender for the WBA belt. That is where Kessler claims the deal ends, because the fight with Larsen fell through. Palle claims he has another option after this.

In a way I sort of agree, Kessler should just try and get this over with as quick as possible, but for whatever reasons his legal team are battling with Palle as we speak. I don't know whether its more personal, or out of principle, its hard to know the exact details.

Regardless, Palle is a contrary ****. He is desperate to keep his hobby horse and get more easy money, but if he realised that he could make Kessler a big fight and bring twice as much money in :deal

 

Yeah mate spot on. Hope to see him back soon though coz he's a good fighter and a Top Man. I'd hate to see him managed by Calzaghe though

 

This only enhances the case for more fighters to manage themselves.

 

It amazes me people still criticize Kessler for this. The only thing you could criticize Kessler for is signing the contract in the first place. I'm sure he did it in good faith - but the history with Palle is clear. Larsen was treated like absolute **** and was not even allowed to fight after legal battles. And people still think its Kessler's fault?

Anyway, even if Palle was not a **** and wanted real fights not pad record easy money fights - hes still a bad promoter. He hasn't made many big fights, he does not have good connections. Kessler was fortunate to get the fight with Calzaghe in truth.

 

Signing the contract in the 1st place without proper legal representation was pretty ******ed it must be said.

In his defence, he most likely acted in good faith - after all, how can you be expected to know that somebody is going to effectively sit on your career.

The case for the prosecution would suggest that he ought to have retained a right of veto over his opponents - basically allowing Palle to act on his behalf but with the final signature needed by Kessler.

From memory this is pretty similar to the kind of contract Lennox Lewis had with Frank Maloney.

Basically, I don't understand why a guy needs a promoter and a manager, regardless of what level you fight at. You are (in most cases) a mature grown adult - I was negotiating my own salaries from the age of 18.... with some successes and failures at the six monthly review meetings - surely a pro boxer could do the same?

 

I've only posted it a few times in the distant past. I like that quote, and I post it for those who haven't seen it. I like Eubank, I like the quote, so there...:blurp

 

None of what he says is true but its a great quote.

 

Is Kessler the most overrated boxer on this forum ?

no he is the greatest boxer that ever lived

 

Its crazy how some posters are claiming JC fans only rate Kessler to somehow prop up his resume. These same posters probably picked Kessler to win his fight with Calzaghe in the first place so its actually THEM who are using Kessler to have pops at Calzaghe.

Kessler is an amazing fighter. EVERYONE was of that opinion before the JC fight