Is Kostya Tszyu ATG

One last left hook after the bell!

 

Definitely, but most don't deserve ATG status at the weight, considering they didn't do nearly enough work there.

Off topic, but have you seen any footage of Napoles below Welterweight? I have heard he was at his best at 135 and 140, and Raging B(_)LL believes he'd have beaten Ortiz at the time.

He's one of my favorite fighters to watch in action at WW, so good, I'd love to see him at his true best.

 

I would have loved to have seen Napoles take on Duran, what a fight!

 

Sweet Pea still trying hard to legitimise his bull**** argument

 

Napoles is one who could've held his own with any fighter of any era at 147. Fantastic fighter on film.

If it is indeed true that he was better at 135 and 140, he'd definitely be on that elite level of Duran, Whitaker, Pryor, etc in head to head terms.

 

I enjoyed your input. Thanks for making an idiot out of yourself, while relying on Rumble and Steel Kelly to make the actual arguments that you couldn't muster up yourself.

 

Napoles and Duran get murdered by Carmen Basilio in the same night:yep

 

I think there's a good 10 there that do have enough accomplishments at the weight to qualify as great 140 pounders, but you're right, many didn't do enough there to be granted that status.

I have his 1st fight with Adolpho Pruitt (as well as his second) and his second fight with Alfredo Urbina as well. From what I could tell form that limited footage Napoles looked super aggressive and somewhat quicker than he did at 147. Though skillwise he was pretty much the same.

I think Ortiz-Napoles would be a great fight and I'm not sure who I'd pick to come out on top. Ortiz is obviosuly a lot more proven at 135 but I wouldn't count Napoles out of that one.

Napoles is ultimately the better fighter of the two for mine. Barring cuts losses to Morgan and Backus he pretty much went undefeated in his prime, whilst almost always convincingly beating down his opponents. Mind you I've heard the decision in the Eddie Perkins fight was somewhat dicey, but it's one I don't know much about.

 

Why do you insist on calling other posters out, and then continue to post nonsense like this? You're the one who's exposing yourself here.

 

Doubtful; I wouldn't pick Basilio to beat either at their best forms as welterweights.

 

Basilio was legit at welterweight, and at his best possessed an underrated skill-set. But, yeah, I think you'd have to make Napoloes the favorite for sure, and the Montreal Duran about 50/50. But I certainly think Basilio acquits himself quite well against any of the atg welterweights.

 

In the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious"

 

Kostya is definitely an all time great. I still believe that if Shane Mosely would not have skipped the 140 division, we would look at Tszyu differently, because Shane would have killed him, but it never happened, and Tszyu was definitely the man in his division.

 

Basilio was a great welterweight and had the tools to make both fights competitive because of the underrated skill-set as you mentioned and his toughness and pressure. Against Napoles, I see him having his moments in close, but for the majority of the fight, getting outdone from mid-range. Against Duran, he'd be fighting a more versatile fighter and a better, more fluid, and craftier infighter. Basilio certainly has his moments in both, but loses decisions. Just my two cents.

 

This is the number one reason why you should not drink and post.