is lennox lewis one of the greats?

Typical duck, just like the Tunney thread.

 

yeah in your dreams i like how you have chosen not to mention your hero Tommy Morrison

 

so you aint got nothing for me to answer your just doing your usual TROLLING and losing the debate

 

Lol, you've got every excuse imaginable. Consider yourself exposed! :yep

 

Absolutely I have Lennox at #6 (I think) on my all time heavyweight list..

 

The only person exposed is yourself. your now looking for away out of this debate because everything i have claimed is correct.. JAB you are a well known HATER of almost every ATG fighter pre-1990 you have started threads on this forum trashing ATGs like Dempsey, Tunney, Pep and many others. you trash their opponents and everything they stand for in the history of this sport. you TROLL and LIE on a daily basis, you have been exposed on this thread and every other thread for what you are. i have tried to debate and enlighten you on how historical fighters like Frazier, Tyson, Marciano, Dempsey & Tunney are "The Pyramids" of the sport and their place in history will live on forever. Yet you continue to push the case for The opponents of Lennox Lewis to be the True ATGs of Heavyweight History`and in particular your own favorite Tommy Morrison who you always refer to as "The Duke"... go away son and buy yourself a few old Ring Magz from Ebay, take the time out to read them then come back and maybe we can talk boxing. instead of you talking Buffoonery.

 

I was supporting your assertion. Lewis is ridiculously overrated and those of us who recognize this have to stick together!!!:thumbsup

 

It's funny when people say this and then ignore that Wlad back when Lewis was in his prime was the Ring number 2 heavyweight for 2 years with Lewis as number 1. Just thought I would remind people of this, for some reason they seem to keep forgetting this.

 

He beat Holyfield who is certainly a skillful boxer with a rock hard jaw and a proven track record. Beat him in his own backyard, fighting his own fight (1st) and Holyfield's fight (rematch).

The only slick, smaller boxer man missing from his resume is Byrd, although realistically no one gave him a chance nor was it an exciting fight to make. The Tua, Rahman (who was as proven as Byrd at that point) and Tyson fights were, however, so they were made instead.

How many of Ali's opponents were slick, skillful smaller men? Young? Most had Ali losing. Norton? Gave Ali all kinds of hell. Who about Holmes? Spinks? Went 1-1 with him on a fair scorecard.

Right, let's give that a go.
The punchers Holmes beat:

1. Shavers I
2. Shavers II
3. Cooney
4. Roy Williams
5. Weaver
6. Smith
7. Snipes (dito)
8. Cobb (dito)
9. The truth Williams
10. Mercer
11. Butterbean

Compare that to Lewis' punchers beat:

1. Bruno
2. Tua
3. Ruddock
4. Vitali Klitscho
5. Mason
6. Morrison
7. Briggs
8. Rahman II
9. Tucker
10. McCall II
11. Mercer
12. Jackson
13. Golota
14. Akinwande
15. Grant
16. Holyfield I (no lesser a hitter than Snipes & Cobb whom I put on Holmes list)
17. Holyfield II
18. Tyson


Now let's look at the puncher's that Joe Louis beat:

1. Carnera
2. Uzcudun
3. Schmeling II
4. Galento
5. Godoy I
6. Godoy II
7. Thomas
8. Max Bear
9. Simon I
10. Simon II
11. Buddy Baer I
12. Buddy Baer II
13. Mauriello
14. Walcott I
15. Walcott II
16. Nova

I'll leave it to the reader to draw their conclusion.

 

You're a pathetic individual and boxing seems to be to complicated for you to understand, perhaps you should consider taking up a new hobby? Clearly anyone that thinks Tyson and Hollyfield are better than Lewis knows nothing about the sport.

 

This is true, and I think Lewis deserves more criticism for not taking on Wlad during 2000-2002, then for not taking on Byrd during said period. Wlad was much more dangerous. I remember during the HBO broadcast of Wlad vs Mercer, after an impressive finish, Lampley said to Stewart "There's only one man in the world who can stop Wladimir Klitschko..... and his name is Lennox Lewis". Stewart proceded to avoid the implicit question. :yep

 

H2H in heavyweight History I would say no but he held a "title belt" and beat the majority of what was out there at the time, its not his fault if what was on the scene were aging fighters like Holyfield and Tyson (who I rate both ahead of Lewis) and fighters like Grant for example who were perceived to be stiff tests, I think Grant was like 31-0 at the time. Grant did beat Golota though he had rocky moments at the beginning he did force the head case to quit late (Golota atsch)
When I look back at his career which I watched every step first hand, and let me also state I was never a fan of his.. His fight against Mason, Mason though he was primarily a protected British fighter was still 35-0, Lewis beat him, though Mason was in the fight until has face swelled shut.. Weaver and Biggs were old men so those mean nothing to me.. The Ruddock fight blew me away I thought Ruddock would walk right through Lewis, though I had no idea that Tyson had already ruined Ruddock, but its still an impressive win to me.. The Tucker fight was just plain UGLY!! Not a good fight for Lennox but still another W. The Bruno and Jackson wins don't impress me, Bruno rarely won the big fight and Jackson was a nobody. But again two more wins.. The Mccall loss, that's a crushing loss, and via one punch, though the stoppage may have been questionable.. Yes Butler had a crap record but he was a puncher who had looked decent on the old Tuesday Night Fights, though he appeared to be in the WORST shape of his career against Lewis which I never understood.. Lets get in shape for those meaningless Tuesday night fights fights and just mail it in for one big shot "PATHETIC"...

Fortune was a tiny little man who had no shot. Morrison was never a great fighter he was a decent puncher but a C level fighter in my eyes.. The Mercer win was impressive becasue Mercer was fighting better at this point in his career then maybe ever, though Lewis JUST squeaked by as it was a very close decision so I am not sure if this fight helps or hurts him I guess it would depend on your opinion of Mercer.. The Mccall and Akinwande fights were just weird but two more W's.
The Golota win was impressive, again not Lennoxs fault that Golota froze, freaked out or what ever the hell happened to him there lol.. Briggs and Mavrovic two more W's.. He beats old Holyfield though they call it a draw, Lewis won.. The 2nd fight hmmm close one maybe Holyfield deserved the nod here, I think this fight may hurt the Lewis claim more then many others becasue Holys best days were clearly behind him and Lewis struggled with him badly..

Grant again like I said earlier was being groomed as the man and he was 31-0 and Lewis wasted him with ease so that win was impressive to me.. Botha.... hmm his rep was built in that tough loss to Moorer, not really an impressive win for me, Lewis handled him well but I think he should have so..
Tua was 37-1 and dangerous and Lewis made him look like a bum plain and simple.. The Rockman loss was a horrible loss for Lennox, though he did avenge it with a spectacular KO in the rematch so that one is a scratch I guess you could say.. Tyson was simply a name, I give Lewis nothing for this win Tyson was so far gone at this point it was sad... Though again another W and another dominant win for Lennox.. The Vitali fight was a tough one for Lennox and I think he saw enough from himself and Vitali to know that it was time to hang them up as Vitali was a very threatening opponent and had Lennox given him a rematch I think Klit may have won the fight.. Anyway the length of this post chronicling the entire Lewis career just reaffirmed to me that he belongs in that top 10 as he was relevant and at the top of the game for a long time and his wins and accomplishments clearly out weigh the losses and faults..

 

To put it so simply without having to go through the wasted motion of trying to "justify" him,

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he's one of the greats!!

 

That would have been easier lol :good

 

Lots of Ali's opponents fall into the categories of "slick" or "fast" or "smaller target" or "cagey" or "skillful" .... relative to most of those Lewis fought anyway.
Patterson, Quarry, Ellis, Jones, Folley.
Even Bugner, Mathis and Terrell were more "boxer types" than most of the lumbering heavies who Lewis fought.

This list is a bit off. Norton and Witherspoon deserve on this list, above Williams, Mercer, Butterbean lol, Cobb at the very least --- and if you're going to have journeyman like Roy Williams on there and normal contenders, you can put a load of heavyweights on there.

Exactly, compare.
You're just calling just about anyone a "puncher" and making sure you put more names for Lewis than for Holmes.

Are these in any sort of order ?
Again, I'm bemused by your picks and what you mean by "puncher".
I'm none the wiser. It's all random and haphazard.

I will say your list for Holmes looks much better now, having seen the Lewis and Louis ones.
:good

Good.
I've drawn mine.
Your "Lewis fought more punchers" rhetoric is even emptier than I had thought.