Is Lennox Lewis's record & resume grossly, disgustingly, extremely suspect & overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, May 26, 2018.


Is Lennox Lewis's heavyweight record / resume suspect and overrated?

  1. Yes (given the reasons I've provided)

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  2. No (specify why whilst countering my arguments)

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  1. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    To be honest most heavyweight ATG's have some patchy resumes. Theres sonething about the division that makes it very difficult to be totally dominant in any era of it.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's not a valid excuse! Even if I were to agree with you that the Holyfield that fought James Toney and Chris Byrd was more declined than the Holyfield that fought Lennox Lewis. Let's not forget the fact that Lewis was a huge super heavyweight with a significant size advantage over Holyfield, Byrd and Toney. Whilst Byrd and Toney were natural sub-cruiser weights. So Lewis still should've beaten 1999 version of Holyfield more convincingly than Toney and Byrd did. And let's also not forget the fact that James Toney was TOTALLY past his best himself when he fought Holyfield as he had no business fighting at heavyweight in the first place as an obese. Whilst Lewis was totally in his prime when he fought a past-prime Holyfield.

    I agree with the rest though!
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    arguing the "lewis was crap because vitali fought him for a tko6" doesnt really make vitali look good, but you tried to do that just now. tie yourself in knots by all means.
     
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  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    sanders neverobtained a title shot because he was getting koed on the way up.

    lets you be honest, if wlad hadnt faced such a weakazz opponent as a retiree and STILL failed bad, you'd not be bringing his name up. instead u'd see the fact too that he failed to contend.
     
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  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    just out of interest, who is it you think h should have fought in the 90s and early 2000s.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol either you're trolling or too blinded by bias to see that the arguments you have presented could be true for almost every single ATG boxer ever.

    He never beat a fighter who never lost at some point, well duh very few fighters go undefeated. Unless you fought guys like Mayweather, Marciano, Calzaghe who never lost you can't ever say you ever fought a single fighter that never lost. If you apply this argument to anyone including Mayweather, SRR, Ali etc then they must be overrated too because they never fought anyone who never lost.

    Every opponent was beaten more convincingly at some point during their career? Well no chit Sherlock fighters grow old and lose to fighters they would of never lost to in their prime. Again apply this to any ATG then it means every ATG is overrated based on your logic.

    While it's a common argument that Lewis never beat a prime ATG other than Vitali, you have to realise Lewis was avoided for much of his career. Holyfield even said it himself that he benefited greatly from fighters avoiding Lewis and choosing him as opponents instead, believing he was the easier opponent to face. Bowe ducked him and fought Holyfield in the rematch and lost to Evander. Tyson paid Lewis step aside money and then was stripped and fought Seldon and Holyfield instead and of course lost to the supposedly washed up Evander. It's hard to beat the best in their prime when they won't fight you.

    Even Evander when they were set to fight, was the one that delayed the fight with Lewis. The fight could of happened sooner, Holyfield wanted $25 mill to fight Lewis and they gave him that but then he changed his mind and delayed the fight as he now wanted more. Holyfield/Lewis could of happened several months earlier when Holyfield was a bit younger but it was Evander who delayed the fight because of his demands.
     
  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its not about size when deciding who should beat who, or else there'd be no fights, just a simple weigh in to decide who has won.
     
  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    As someone already pointed out, you can really do this with any retired guys record. Pick out easy fights ,fight past their Best fellas .Didn't Joe Louis ,Marciano ,Tyson etc and many others do just this ?
    Fact is Lewis retired as champ ,with only two losses and both avenged .Can't see much wrong with that ?
     
  9. Blindspot

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    Hmm, I like Lewis' guard
    He doesn't use it as effectively as he could
    But watch how he adjusts it cleanly to each different shot at times

    Also he pivots and follows with the right hand very nicely
    His jab is a very effective set up when it lands, because it bends the opponent back shifting their weight to snap back into his next punch (that is quite nice)
    I also like how he twists to make his hook overhanded

    He twists his shoulder into punches in a way that is verrrry instructive
    He's got some great tempo too, watching his fight vs Tyson in 2002
    I'd describe it as an "offensive tempo" that he can use defensively
    I admittedly haven't paid Lewis that much attention, but now I reckon I outta do a week of training on him
    He's quite rich with little tips I could take away
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    ^^^ Yikes, there's a very educated hater.

    Why I say NO. Lewis is easily among the 10 best heavyweights of all time. And he fought in a very talented timeline beating three hall of fame opponents, and many others ranked in the top ten.

    Okay, he didn't fight Bowe, who avoided him.
     
  11. Devon Dog

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    It dont matter

    I am not sure how many others here are near the 50 mark or over but I take less notice of what I read on the internet these days then I used too of the professional sports writers back in the day
    Where people hide behind user names there is no credibility in what they say
     
  12. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    That is some shocking English.
     
  13. uppercut_to_the_body

    uppercut_to_the_body Well-Known Member Full Member

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  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    aye its old norse, but even worse.
     
  15. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I concur.