i think he might be. when floyd was at lightweight he was the most complete fighter ever. he had power in both hands, arguably the best defense ever(he can do the sweet pea, and shoulder roll) he had speed, great footwork, great ring iq, great accuracy, everything a boxer needs. now robinson is another complete fighter but his defense was nowhere near perfect(or at least from the films that are available). now robinson can beat him if he knocked him out in the early rounds, but if he does somehow survive the early rounds and he starts to time robby then there's not much robby would be able to do at that point. is floyd just an overrated piece of sh!t, or is he really TBE.
then why comment? im here to debate... there's no right or wrong because this is all based on opinions.
When your talking about the best ever lightweight and most complete fighter the list of greats is amazing. Was Joe Gan's deserving of #1 here, he well may have been and neck to neck with him are Benny, Ike, and Roberto. Greats like Buchanan, Laguna and Ortiz are close behind and while Pernell is remembered as a welter he could be some peoples top pick here. I'm not sure where Floyd would place with these past champions but I couldn't put him in my top 5.
Because u obviously haven't done Ur research. If u had u wouldn't have posted this. I'm not trying to b a Dick but honestly do Ur research my man.
I think he was a harder hitting lightweight who knew every punch and trick in the book, had great endurance and experience, was a master of footwork and feinting. Don't get me wrong, Floyd is also a boxing master and was as a lightweight also but I don't think he had the guns and strength the Old master did as a lightweight.
this is completely based off of speculations and opinions.... no amount of "research" would make anyone's opinion a fact. this isn't a math problem. atsch
oh u like hank? i don't really like his style because it's really ancient(dates back to the early 1900s and late 1800s). i don't know how well he would hold up against a slick boxer or an out-fighter.
Ok, i just read your full post south, and do you really think Floyd was a more complete fighter than Duran, Gans or more skilled than a Benny Leonard, Ike, or perhaps more effective than tony Canzoneri or Armstrong. I have no problem with you rating Floyd wherever you want, but I must appeal to reason. Do you think he has a better resume than these guys? Lightweight may very well be the deepest most stacked division in the sport, and Floyd has not beaten one ATG at that weight. And Robinson is rated at Welter and middle, so he is irrelevant right now, but why are you talking like Ray is Mike Tyson? Have you ever watched Robinson? He does not go for the kill then fade into the later rounds. HE has real ko power in both hands and is one of the most all around great fighters ever. Please don't talk about past greats, especially one that is a top 3 all time p4p as if he is some 2 bit journeyman and speak as if his boxing skill is so inferior to Floyds. This is why research is important bud.
South, Armstrong layed the foundation for the "swarming style" he mastered it and used it to perfection, watch Joe frazier and tell me he doesn't remind you of Hank. Also there is nothing ancient about it, very different than the guys in the early 1900's who fought fight to long to smother and keep up that work rate.