well i've seen benny, gans, and everyone u named and they don't really do anything significantly better than floyd or at least from what i'm seeing. i do agree that they had better resumes, but do u really think floyd wouldn't beat anyone that gans or leonard beat? here's where i sense that u think those guys are better just because they fought in black and white. and i mentioned robby because he's another complete fighter.
It's all relevant to era, and Gan's was well ahead of his time and Leonard was a beautifully skilled boxer, who could have given anyone in any era a run for their money. Even Ray Arcel who was around the sport for ages sang his praises till his death. Hank,Tony, Duran were all far superior offensive fighters, Tony could go to war with anybody, but unlike guys like Gatti etc. he did it with world class skill. Timmers already gave you the rundown on Gans' greatness, Duran would apply pressure, move in and out, slip punched throw with blinding speed and power all at the same time. The first thing i noticed while watching his lightweight fights was how fast he was, and I even quested as to weather or not the fight was sped up. Ike was another complete fighter, all around amazing, and all of these guys have one thing floyd does not. they are proven against the very best of the division at their time. The guys are tested and proved themselves great against other ATGs of there era. The fact that you question why these guys are great, and think they "don't really do anything significantly better than floyd" really shows your lack of knowledge on these guys. Nobody thinks they're great because of black and white, that's a cop out in an attempt to invalidate an opposing argument when your own lacks substance.
fair enough. but if u read my posts u would realize that i don't base this on achievements i base this on activity in the ring and skillsets. i don't see better jabs, i don't see better footwork, i don't see better timing, i don't see better accuracy, i don't see better counters, i don't see better defense. here's where "u think those guys are better because they fought in black and white" comes into play. yes based on achievements they're greater than floyd, but based on skills alone i cant say that they're better boxers than him... it's just my opinion. i'm not denying anyone's greatness i actually favor past fighters over certain modern fighters, but people like to deny floyd's greatness because he hasn't fought the second greatest fighter of his era.
Floyd never fought great fighters like these men fought so who's to say he would look as skillful against that type of competition? I'm not denying Floyd's skills but his calibre of competition doesn't stack up to the above mentioned fighters.
I was thinking of Henry as a welter and overlooked his time at lightweight, my miss. Tony though, as tough and good as he was seems a notch below the top lightweights in history to me. I have some struggle knowing just where to place him history wise.
i agree on that. i still think he would've beaten anyone gans and benny beat because they're pretty much on the same level when it comes to being technical and having a good ring iq. :bbb