Is Lightweight historically the strongest division?

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My all time top 10 @ LW is:

    1. Leonard
    2. Gans
    3. Duran
    4. McFarland
    5. Whittaker
    6. Ortiz
    7. Williams
    8. Ambers
    9. Welsh
    10. Canzoneri

    My P4P is a WIP. Provisionally I rank 1-4 all in my top 14, Whittaker at 22 and Canzoneri looks like he will end up in the early 30's.

    Have I got the p4p rankings of my top LWs badly wrong? If not, is there another weight division top 10, where 4 are top 15 pfp all time, 5 top 25 and/or 6 top 35?
     
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  2. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    What does your top 10 list at 160 look like? That division probably has the best case to be greater than 135.
     
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  3. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based on fights at or around MW only:

    1. Monzon
    2. Greb
    3. Hagler
    4. SRR
    5. Hopkins
    6. Gibbons
    7. Ketchel
    8. Steele
    9. Ryan
    10. Burley

    Includes my top 2 p4p, SRR and Greb, but only 2 top 15 pfp vs 4 at LW. Ryan and Monzon make it 4 x top 25 p4p vs 5 at LW. I've not finished my top 35 pfp yet, Burley and Hagler will probably be in it so that would be 6 each for LW and MW in my top 35 pfp.
     
  4. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Naturally the heavyweights are the biggest, strongest an hardest hitting fighters in all of boxing so without any imaginary p4p bull, these are h2h the greatest fighters ever

    Ali
    Holmes
    Tyson
    Lewis
    Louis
    Holyfield
    Foreman
    Vitali
    Frazier
    Bowe
     
  5. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    I was going to say that having Whittaker at 22 pfp seems high. However if you count the Chavez and Hoya fights as wins and heavily value h2h ability then I guess it makes sense.
     
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  6. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I respect the call of the judges, except in the case of blatant robberies.

    I consider the Ramirez and Chavez fights as wins for Whittaker. De La Hoya as a legitimate past prime loss in a close fight to a bigger, prime ATG/borderline ATG.

    I consider Whittaker as having won every fight he contested at his prime weight as well as some great performances at WW.

    Chavez, Ramirez x 2, McGirt x 2, Riveria x 2, Nelson, Vasquez (at LMW, where Whitakker had no business), Haugen and R. Mayweather may not be the 22nd deepest win resume in history, but when you consider his only legitimate losses came past prime vs bigger fighters, many of those wins were dominant and/or against bigger boxers, I'm comfortable with Whitakker at 22.
     
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  7. Mike Cannon

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    At WW we have :
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Barney Ross
    Jose Napoles
    Mickey Walker
    Tommy Hearns
    Jack Britton
    Carmen Basilio
    Fairly decent lot.......
    stay safe guys.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    Heavyweight is the weakest division above bantam. I did a thread about this years ago.

    I would say middle, light, welter in that order but it is very close.
     
  9. Seamus

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    I may need to consult Boxrec but I think that and undersized, aged Chavez held a prime Whitaker to a draw.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    I don’t have an official top ten to offer but I would think Welterweight and light heavyweight were both historically pretty damn strong
     
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    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can definitely see the argument for LW as historically strongest.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think LHW has an argument
    Charles
    Moore
    Fitz
    Spinks
    Tunney
    Harold Johnson
    Jimmy Bivins
    Roy Jones Jr
    Tommy Gibbons
    Bob Foster
    Joey Maxim
    Tommy Loughran
    Qawi
    Billy Conn
    Sam Langford
    John Henry Lewis
     
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  14. Greg Price99

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    As I said in the very post you quoted, i respect the decision of the judges, except in the case of blatant robberies. I think its widely accepted that Whitakker beat the unbeaten Chavez clearly on a fair scorecard.
     
  15. Greg Price99

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    WW is a great shout, Mike.

    I think what impressed me most about LW, is that my top 4 there are all in my top 15 pfp.

    Ross isnt in my top 10 at WW (or my LW top 10) based solely on fights contested at or around WW, but if we were, combined with SRR, Armstrong and Walker, my WW top 10 would have matched my LW top 10 as contributing 4 fighters to my p4p top 15.
     
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